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    [–] hmm@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 1 hour ago

    i've seen someone installed Ubuntu LTS on his gaming pc. he said he has been spending hours to use it, in the end he decided to reinstall windows 11.

    [–] RGB@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago

    Just use winutil tool. Very fast to debloat and disabled telemetry. Of course if you can't reasonably switch to Linux atm.

    [–] vinyl@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

    If you are installing Windows with that route, you sure as hell won't be picking beginner friendly distro.

    [–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 hours ago

    Honestly I've found most distros pretty solid. It's just the software that can be buggy. Gnome for me crashes on gpu's with 4gb of vram, like the rx 5500 and 1650. Steam is better now but I remember the interface being very jank. Left clicking something just made the drop down menu disappear and not actually select it. A lot of programs still not scaling right on Wayland even tho xorg has been dead for years on years. Ect...

    But even with all these issues I've had recently and not so recently... Still so much better than windows

    [–] Juice260@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

    Beginner friendly??? Not sure how to explain this to Linux users that post on Lemmy but we’re not the regular pc user and have a very different view on beginner friendly lol

    [–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 13 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

    Ehhh....as a Linux beginner on Ubuntu I disagree... I spent a couple hours trying to get an AppImage application as a desktop icon.

    Spent an additional hour or two to mount NAS drives. Fstab?? Wtf.

    My secondary monitor flickers to black randomly for a just couple minutes after startup and there's no way I'm going to dig through Wayland to figure out why. Monitor orientation is incorrect on startup and I again don't want to dig through Wayland or whatever cfg file I need to open.....yet.

    Still needed to browse at least 5 different sources for answers.

    I'm glad Firefox doesn't crash at 500 tabs or w/e but Linux still has issues with some primitive tasks that windows has well figured out.

    [–] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago

    It's funny because as somebody that's been using Linux full-time for over 10 years I actually really really really really hate that Ubuntu is considered beginner friendly because I often find very very simple tasks incredibly frustrating on it.

    I know that everybody disagrees with me but I genuinely think that something based on arch like Endeavor OS is genuinely more beginner friendly. You don't have to fight with repositories to get up to date drivers, virtually any piece of software you could ever want is either already in the extra/community repo or available through the Aur. And while yes it is possible that an update could end up causing an issue on your system Pac-Man is just way way better about not completely destroying the system and it is pretty easy to roll back. Even in a really really bad worst case scenario booting from a live USB and rolling back with chroot is easy enough I've actually walked people through it before.

    Meanwhile the amount of times on both Debian and Ubuntu that I have had apt completely eviscerate a system just trying to do basic updates and then just bail out Midway leaving the system so broken that the terminal barely functions anymore is frustrating. And there's no particularly easy path to fixing that because dpkg is a fucking nightmare. Yes in the majority of those cases the system was multiple years out of date but that's no excuse I have updated art systems that were upwards of almost 10 years out of date and other than me having to manually update the key ring and reinitialize the signatures it was able to Simply jump right to the latest just fine.

    [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

    Do you have to use Wayland? If something's buggy in Wayland, I always switch back to x11. Wayland's finally gotten to a point where I can use it without bugs, but that's taken many years.

    [–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

    True, even user-friendly Linux distros have their pain points. The real difference between Linux and corporate OS products is that you don't periodically need a new version because of a product churn schedule.

    [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago

    🤔not sure if it is true frustration or just a great meme

    [–] helpmyusernamewontfi@lemmy.today 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

    As a Linux user for a few years now I have to disagree. My friends who still rely on Windows only software for either school or their jobs use Revision OS and installs it with a tool called playbooks which takes only a few minutes and automatically disables feature updates; only allowing security updates to go through. This makes it so all "system updates" are through the playbook app which is pretty cool, it pretty much makes it a Windows fork and won't revert or break anything when updating

    [–] doomcanoe@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

    1, Revision OS is awesome, and good on you for sharing it!
    2, I don't think that's you disagreeing really, just offering a "third path".

    [–] kekmacska@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

    i will try Garuda. i will not go for the easiest, because i want to improve

    [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

    Garuda is amazing, but it definitely isn't a beginner distro. Also, a lot of the design choices are questionable, so I still wind up changing a lot of things after installing it.

    [–] tfw_no_toiletpaper@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

    Another day another cope post

    [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 20 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

    If it takes you hours to debloat Windows, you better stick with an OS you do know.

    [–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 10 points 12 hours ago

    Every time I see a Linux user's criticism of a problem with Windows, it's the kind of thing your grandma asks you to fix for her and takes ten seconds 😂

    Calling Windows unstable in this day and age is fucking laughable too. If your installation is unstable, it's either you or your hardware

    [–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 hours ago
    • The third route: install Win11 IoT Enterprise LTSC
    • The fourth route: install Gentoo
    [–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

    Who the fucks tries to debloat windows?

    [–] felsiq@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

    Me back when I needed HDR and Linux didn’t have it 😭

    [–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

    If you debloat Win10 and 11 your system will run better. Debloaters are aggressive to differing degrees (I recommend Chris Titus), but a lot of things are turned on by default that shouldn't be - like the Xbox service when you don't have an Xbox - using resources for no reason.

    [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

    I debloat my windows by using corporate EU windows 🤭but I game on endeavourOS 🤷🏻

    [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

    Android and iOS already replaced Windows for normies.

    [–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

    True - remember Windows phones? Me neither.

    [–] Echolynx@lemmy.zip 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

    It's mind boggling to me how many people don't even use desktops anymore. Or do "serious" things like buy plane tickets on their phone. The younger generation is almost entirely phone-only.

    [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 7 hours ago

    Big purchase. Big screen.

    [–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 41 points 16 hours ago (8 children)

    I wish I could use Linux at work but the software used does not have any alternative (that I can use) and I can't be bothered with debloating and all that jazz. I try to keep work and private seperate instead.

    [–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

    How modern, I can't believe your computers support Windows 11.

    [–] C126@sh.itjust.works 9 points 14 hours ago

    My work has a process for requesting software. Over the last five years, I've been slowly getting open source alterntives approved, using them, and telling coworkers they're approved. It's just one super specialized software left.

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    [–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 21 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

    This won’t be popular but I haven’t had a stability problem on my home Windows 11 pro (server) machine. I disabled online login during first boot setup so maybe that’s why … my network handles telemetry shenanigans so I’m not worried about that. Never bothered to put a Linux on it, which was the plan, since it’s not failed once, it’s been a few years since it was spooled up. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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    [–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 14 hours ago (2 children)
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    [–] M137@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

    English hard, apparently.

    I fucking hate this thing that's becoming more and more common. Obvious bad grammar and spelling mistakes in memes like this, it's become the rule rather than the exception in just the past year. And I'm certain it's rarely not done on purpose, it's the same with post and video titles both here, reddit, youtube etc. It gets clicks and comments and people fucking suck so they do it with no shame.

    [–] Famko@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

    Some people make mistakes when typing and miss them while proofreading and sometimes people aren't native English speakers.

    If I may ask, which spelling mistakes caught your eye specifically?

    [–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

    Maybe "just to notice"

    But I'm not a native speaker so beware!

    [–] RetroSoul@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago (7 children)

    I love Linux, a lot. I've distro hopped and tinkered to my hearts content. But I can't let windows go, which is why I dual-boot with Windows 11 and currently, Bazzite.

    Windows doesn't have the ghub for my logitech mouse and headset. I can't use my plugins for elite dangerous or extra software, like EDMC. Many games don't work for various reasons (anti-cheat, or many other reasons). Can't say, "well don't play those games.". Well, I want to. I like those games, and they don't work on linux.

    There is no AMD Adrenaline for my AMD GPU. I can't use frame gen or many other features my card has. Battle.net games just refuse to work for me, try as I might to follow every tutorial ever (I just wanted to play Diablo IV T_T ). Those features are important to me.

    OBS is much crappier on linux than on windows, due to no AV1 encoding support. As a streamer, AV1 looks MUCH better than whatever linux obs uses.

    And lastly, Windows (even Windows 11), just works with everything. Any software you want, you just install it. On steam you don't have to check proton.db, you're 100% guaranteed for it to work. Any software you see, it works on windows. Any peripherals, just work. All their associated software, works.

    I know not everyone games, but it's the highest grossing entertainment market, so it's important to more people than not.

    According to a report by SuperData Research, the global gaming market was valued at $159.3 billion in 2020. This includes revenue from console games, PC games, mobile games, and esports. To put that in perspective, the music industry was valued at $19.1 billion in 2020, while the movie industry was valued at $41.7 billion. That means the gaming industry is making more than three times as much money as the music industry and almost four times as much as the movie industry. source

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    [–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 12 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

    My experience is the opposite.

    Took an hour just to get a mouse to work on Mint

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    [–] 299792458ms@lemmy.zip 23 points 17 hours ago (8 children)

    Just make them install Arch, I did just fine...

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