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Most people just want a good life. If we stopped seeing each other as the enemies the world could be better.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Every molecule that makes up our entire existence came from the fusion of a hot star, and no matter what it looks like right now, it will once again be both the precursor and the product of many more stars.

In that regard we are all identical and inconsequential.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

nah.

I can't have empathy for fuckheads that want to kill and imprison people based on their sexual preferences or their identity.

I refuse to subject myself to the torture of "working together" with people with fascist ideologies.

I cannot, and will not, coexist with Nazis.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I think op meant more along the lines of normal, everyday people, not radical extremists who hate everyone that isn't like them.

and by normal, I mean non hate driven people. I believe everyone is weird in some way, there is no "normal".

the way I described it to my son is everyone has the same right to be happy as he does, you don't get to dictate that to anyone. we love you for your weirdness and expect the same for anyone else.

[–] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

I don't see MAGA people as the enemy because they want to pay less in taxes. I see them as the enemy because they don't think my kids should exist in society and are actively passing legislation to make it so.

Delete this shit take.

[–] kshade@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It may be more directed at them than you.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Something will be directed at them if they don't knock this shit off.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 hours ago

Username checks out

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 11 hours ago

This is something we all need to remember

Have empathy and realize that people can have there own views. They aren't dumb because they disagree with you

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 12 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

It’s by design. Divide and conquer has been the playbook since they (anti-labor think tanks like the Progressive Policy Institute and others that seek to keep labor infighting) started studying group psychology.

FPTP contributes more than its share to the tribalism and poor infighting we see in the US and the UK.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Cant tell if you are pro FPTP or against FPTP 🤔

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Yea you mentioned divide and conquer then put images of the parliament with and without FPTP. Its easily misinterpreted to say that proportional representation is somehow "divide and conquer".

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I did not read it that way.

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Huh? I showed how a simple change to US and UK election laws can topple the two party system overnight.

Literally, if there are only two private parties run by private organizations of rich people, they merely have to divide us and conquer us. We are being puppeteered by a bunch of corporations that use identity politics to keep the poor fighting amongst themselves and people SLURP THAT SHIT UP BECAUSE THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM CODIFIES IT INTO EVERY DECISION.

Feudalism with a few more steps.

Interesting point, though and I can see what you mean.

Truly, if my comment were to make a sense, I’d have to say they have “combined” and conquered.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 18 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The major difference is money. We should be banding together against the rich, but instead we distract ourselves with what we look like, what we sound like, where we come from, what team (sports, town, city, state, country, ...) we support, which sex we have, and a bunch of other things that divide us.

[–] Katrisia@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

Aliens are here to unite us (/s).

[–] thezeesystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Idk one side wants to enslave, murder, and rape. The other does not.

Let's just be friends as they take away my rights and everyone I love rights away, we shouldn't be enemies as they hunt down and murder someone for "existing"

Maybe we shouldn't be friends with the enemy and fight against the regime?

This is one of the was Nazis came into power, by manipulating the mass thinking "oh we should all be friends" and now look what happened.

-a trans non-binary disabled person

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 9 points 20 hours ago

There aren't only two sides to every issue. Thinking like that is limiting.

[–] yetiftw@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

solidarity means solidarity. other working class people are not your enemy (re: 1984). the all or nothing mindset accomplishes nothing besides closing your mind off to the plights and perspectives of others.

-also trans and disabled

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 5 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

Idk one side wants to enslave, murder, and rape. The other does not.

Seeing people hold this kind of views is fucking depressing.

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[–] babybus@sh.itjust.works 4 points 17 hours ago

Yeah, but also people have very different ideas of what good life is, and what stops them from having it.

[–] Jonnyprophet@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Amen.

What the people who want to control us don't want us to realize is that you have a lot more in common with the Chinese/Russian/Ukrainian/Mexican/Indian working class... Factory worker/programmer/hard-working house wife... Then you do with your own political leaders and billionaires. People with servants who don't ever worry about bills. (Biden, Trump, Harris, Vance, Elon, Gates, Bezos, etc)... Don't look at the foreigners as different and the enemy... Look at the Rich and the Politicians (who want us to blame the foreigners)

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 23 hours ago

No war but class war.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 17 points 23 hours ago

I only see people as an enemy if they've declared themselves as such. I'm not gonna make the first move, life is too short to make enemies with everyone I meet. That said, if you've got a swastika tattooed on your forehead then I'm gonna take that as a declaration that you're my enemy.

[–] SuperSleuth@lemm.ee 1 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

You make this argument and it immediately falls apart because people revert to "Well they want to do this, this, and this, so they actually are an enemy"

You see it here in these very comments. If you are different from the "normal" you will eventually be hated, regardless of whoever is in power. It is human nature. It has not changed, it will not change.

People, families, tribes, nations have risen to power and subsequently lost power. It's cyclical and will continue until we are inevitably wiped out by ourselves or the universe.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I mean we hunted and fucked neanderthals to extinction just because they looked like us but not exactly like us.

Yeah it's a nature thing

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

"I am vry smrt. Boog Brian here"

When someone wants to take away my freedoms or human rights. they are the enemy.

what you said is like telling a rape victim that they didn't ask if their rapist consented to raping them and so they asked to be raped because they didn't confirm they were indeed being raped.

wtf is wrong with people. bad people do bad things. punch bad people in the face and get it over with. we don't need to understand why they did it. fuck them up.

[–] SuperSleuth@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago

I don't see the need for insults.

These "human rights" were given to you by the current established powers. When those powers change the definition of good and bad do so as well. That was the intended message of my original comment.

It is naive to say "we don't need to understand why they did it" when, taking your stance here, it's imperative in preventing the "enemy" from taking away your "freedoms". But I see it differently, take one of my favorite quotes: "You judge yourself based on your own intentions, and judge everyone else on their actions". Call it optimistic, but I don't believe most people intend to cause harm, but make their choices based on their experiences and understanding of the matter.

So, I feel it's ridiculous to proclaim anyone as enemy, especially withstanding their reasoning. But you do not have to agree with this.

[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

I have been struggling with this lately. I am staunchly anti violence and anti war, and yet, I am conflicted on how far I truly would be willing to go to cull classism, fascism, racism, transphobia , homophobia, misogyny, and pedophilia from the world.

These things are abhorrent to me, and I wonder how much of my humanity I'd be willing to sacrifice in exchange for even one of these to no longer being in existence amongst the ranks of humanity.

How much good does pacifism give to the world in promoting the better angels of our nature? How much harm does it do when those same principles allow the worst among us to march down our roads and drag away our loved ones in the night?

Two scenes from media I consume have lately continually resurfaced in my mind. One is this scene from Vinland Saga, where the main character's father confronts him when he finds his sword. The father is about to go off to war, and somberly asks his son who he wants to kill with his father's sword. This culminates with the father, who again, is about to go off to war, emphatically declaring to his son that he has no enemies, that there is no such thing as enemies.

The other is this scene from Star Wars Andor, in which a high level spy of a burgeoning Rebellion is asked by a compatriot (who wishes to quit fighting the Empire due to possibly being found out), asks what he sacrifices for the fight against the Empire. The monologue he delivers is chilling, acknowledging he sacrifices all things that make him human, he becomes like his enemy in order to defeat them. When he reflects on the question, and asks, "So what do I sacrifice? Everything!"

That...is what I believe I will have to give up in order for there to be a sunrise for the people I love tomorrow. I'll have to give up my humanity, everything. And I am afraid. I am selfish. I don't want to. But I don't know any other way.

The feelings that scene stir up in me resonate because that is how I feel when I think on the fascist cancer that has once again metastasized in America. Having no enemies... if only. Truly. Having enemies robs me of my humanity, because in fighting them I must bury my humanity. And I know that once I do that, there's no going back. There will be no redemption.

The thing I am struggling with is... am I the one who makes them my enemies? Or are they? And if the only thing we can agree on is that we are enemies...then what choice do we have when they come for me and those I claim as my kin?

[–] itsAsin@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

i just wanted to say that what you wrote here is beautiful and it helps me clarify my thoughts. ♥️

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

cull classism, fascism, racism, transphobia , homophobia, misogyny, and pedophilia from the world

One of these is not like the others.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago

Which one??

[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago

Fair enough. To be clear, I am saying I would not like any of these aspects of humankind, not that they are necessarily in any way equivalent. Nor am I trying to necessarily relate them to each other. On their own, I dislike them.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

No. Some people want to control other people because of their various sky daddies or a simple greed. And those are the ones fucking up your life. Everyone else could more or less get along, but fanatics, billionaires and other people hungry for control of others are actively make sure we don't.

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 7 points 22 hours ago

fanatics

Half of Lemmy users included in that group

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us shall we not revenge?

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 8 points 1 day ago

Some are fascists. Some are not. That's a pretty big distinction.

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