Ridiculous. All vaccines can have side effects, of course there were going to be people who had adverse responses to the COVID vaccines. Disbelieving people about this is an absolute joke.
this post was submitted on 15 Nov 2024
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The problem with global media is that every single outlier event gets hyped to such a degree that it appears to be a common occurrence.
bird flu just got like three people sick and everyone at my work talks about it
Covid killed almost a thousand last week
I agree, part of keeping trust in collective health measures is trusting people when they say they are hurt by them and trying to help.
These people did a prosocial and sensible thing, they got hurt in freak accidents, they deserve respect and compassion.
Unfortunately it is hard to prove things like CFS (regardless of vaccines). If we believe all claims then some will rort the system. I have no opinion on how to deal with it.
How many actually will vs how many innocents you just abandon. Like how many people actually presented to doctors or hospital after getting vaxxed, missed work etc.
I think this fear of other human beings behaving in ways you probably would never dream of, nor would you expect of almost everyone you know, is misguided.
Society can afford a few mooches if it's the price of helping the needy. We support an entire class of mooches with stuff like CGT discounting and that doesn't help anyone.
Only Harvey Norman is excused from mooching because... reasons.
Oh and Centrelink themselves via #robodebt.
In Australia, doctors could lose their licenses for stepping outside the official line.
Nobody could be honest in the medical world, at that time. Maybe still? I'm not sure, but unlikely. Those nurses and doctors were probably too scared to speak the truth I'd imagine.
Implying doctors or the nurses providing the vaccines withheld information around side effects?
I don’t believe that for a moment.
I was given detailed information when getting these vaccines.
And a discussion with my wife who was a nurse at one of the vaccination centres, covering themselves regarding potential side effects was the priority.
This was the situation in Australia:
Some key quotes from the former Australian Medical Association (AMA) president.
“This is an issue that I have witnessed first-hand with my wife who suffered a severe neurological reaction to her first Pfizer vaccine within minutes, including burning face and gums, paraesethesiae, and numb hands and feet, while under observation by myself, another doctor and a registered nurse at the time of immunisation,” the 65-year-old said.
The diagnosis and causation has been confirmed by several specialists who have told me that they have seen ‘a lot’ of patients in a similar situation.”
Her comment which is what I was referring to:
“Regulators of the medical profession have censored public discussion about adverse events following immunisation, with threats to doctors not to make any public statements about anything that ‘might undermine the government’s vaccine rollout’ or risk suspension or loss of their registration,” she said.
It was very real here. I'm not sure where you're from, but here, if anyone didn't say exactly what they were told, consequences were real.
Hence, those nurses in the linked story from OP, I personally feel probably knew, but were fearful. I can't say that for sure though. Based on how things were at the time, it would make sense.
Bendigo, mate. This is the Australia group. I know what it was like, my wife was pregnant and on the front lines of COVID response at St Vincent’s Hospital Melbourne.
The sad part is that reactions to vaccines are vanishingly rare but real. I’m wondering if this lady’s immune system had an unusually strong response and left her with some kind of autoimmune disease as a result. Fibromyalgia can be triggered after being sick with a virus and has been confirmed to be autoimmune.
But it is much better for vaccines to be mandatory to keep herd immunity for those that can’t have them and keep smallpox or polio from coming back. On the balance you just can’t afford to have it be optional.
Ironically the symptoms she’s describing sound like long covid which also gets ignored and denied support. It makes me wonder if her body did massively overreact to even the attenuated virus
Edit: Oops, for transparency I must have missed the line where it was confirmed the first woman actually had pericarditis. That’s what I get for trying to read while sleep deprived
None of the major vaccines for COVID are an attenuated virus to be clear, although some vaccines are made like that (usually older ones).
Ah that’s right! Are the major vaccines the RNA ones where it’s just the protein? I’ve forgotten. I had a brain fart and for some reason was thinking of traditional vaccines.
I wonder if the types affect the chance of a reaction for some people or in general
Are the major vaccines the RNA ones where it’s just the protein?
- Moderna and Pfizer are mRNA.
- Novavax is protein subunit.
- AstraZeneca is viral vector (not an attenuated SARS-CoV-2, a completely different virus).
Thanks, that’s good info
I wonder if the types affect the chance of a reaction for some people or in general
Yeah, it does affect the type of severe reaction. AstraZenica had TTS, and with Moderna/Pfizer it's pericarditis/myocarditis.
Chances of it happening are very low for both vaccine types, but when you administer millions of doses, some minority are going to be affected.