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[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I always thought about how interesting it is that handing things to people is so reliable. We just kind of know exactly when the other person has grabbed something enough for us to let go.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

And then there's the rare moment when you think they have it so you let go and it falls to the floor 😭

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

I always imagine it more like neural networks. simply based on a lot of training and experience. As an example think of times when you step onto a non moving escalator. Your mind definitely knows its not moving but you still can't defeat the trained expectation of jerk.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

My brain is like a neural network? No way...

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

more like neural networks are maybe like your brain? dunno not an expert, just a feeling

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[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 50 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not advanced maths per se; neural networks are amazing! Fuzzy matching based on experience - taken to an incredible level. And, tuneable by internal simulation (imagination).

[–] HereIAm@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Don't be fooled to think computer neural networks is how the brain is structured. Through out history we've always compared the brain to the most advanced technology at the time. From clocks, to computers with short and long term memory, and now to neural networks.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

That is a good point, though the architecture of computer neutral networks is inspired by how we think the brain works, and if I understand correctly there is some definite similarity in the architecture.

Lots of difference though, still!

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I would guess that every statement made is kind of true. It is a clock, a computer and a LLM,...

I would even go as far as LLM is the closest to a functioning brain we can produce from a functional perspective. And even the artificial brains are to complex to understand in detail.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I reckon we can get a lot closer than an LLM in time. For one thing, the mind has particular understanding of interim steps whereas, as I understand it, the LLM has no real concept of meaning between the inputs and the output. Some of this interim is, I think, an important part of how we assess truthfulness of generated ideas before we put them into words.

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[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 166 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

Another one is levelling.

A lot of people can see a picture frame is about 0.5Β° out of level and their fucking eye twitches until they fix it

Me included

That's nuts when you think about it

[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 74 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I purposefully slightly tilt most my wall hangings. I like watching guests squirm when they mention it and I do nothing

[–] superkret@feddit.org 42 points 2 days ago

Sorry cousin, unfortunately I will get the flu this Christmas and won't be able to come visit.

[–] staticsoar@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I respect and hate this. I could never

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[–] Senseless@feddit.org 61 points 2 days ago (2 children)

See, I live in an old apartment. The corners aren't 90Β°, the wall a picture is hanging on is convex. When I'm lying in bed and look at the picture it looks like it's crooked but I used a level several times on it and it's as straight as can be. It's driving me insane.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is when you set it relative to the rest of the unleveled stuff in your view to make it look level.

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[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago

But β€œlevel isn’t what you need. If the floor and ceiling aren’t level, it’ll look wrong.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I remember we once installed something on a beam 40' feet up. While waking through an inspection of many such things, the engineer stops, cocks his head for a second, and says "that's not quite straight"

And then it wasn't. Like a cast of manual breathing, the thing I had been frequently walking past for weeks was suddenly wrong, ever so slightly

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Leave it up to a civil engineer to ruin your day.

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[–] Eranziel@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

I worked on an industrial robot once, and we parked it such that the middle section of the arm was up above the robot and supposed to be level. I could tell from 50 feet away and a glance that it wasn't, so we checked. It was off by literally 1 degree.

Degrees are bigger than we think, but also our eyes are incredible instruments.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 49 points 2 days ago (9 children)

The second thing about microslippage is why I, even though I would say I'm transhumanist, would only ever go full cyborg if the robot parts had a sense of touch.

I don't wanna pet my dog and not only not feel their fur, but also end up crushing them with my super strength.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Also masturbation might be a challenge in that scenario.

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[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 44 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was always amazed at how we can catch objects in flight.

Compared to how long it takes me to calculate projectile momentum in Physics 1

[–] buttfarts@lemy.lol 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Or tiny birds that can expertly navigate wind currents with an almond sized brain using real-time force feedback. The computational power at their disposal is very well optimized for what they do.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And they can even do that in sync with thousands (and even millions) of other small birds.

[–] buttfarts@lemy.lol 2 points 1 day ago

Birb Borg Cloud

[–] PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

Hummingbirds are fucking incredible. They can literally hover, fly backwards, fly inverted, fly silently, or flap their wings loud enough to generate sound waves as a mating ritual. They're like miniature f-18s dog fighting constantly.

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[–] Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz 96 points 2 days ago (10 children)

When sharpening knives, with practice you can tell when you are done by sliding your fingertips along (not across) the sharpened bevel. It's possible to feel imperfections measured in micrometers this way.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 74 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If the earth were shrank down to the size of a golf ball, you could feel houses.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 145 points 2 days ago (6 children)

That seems wildly unnecessary. I can already feel houses.

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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 77 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

Our bodies n brains are so cool. Think about what goes into locating a sound in space.

Edit: there's more to it but at the most basic level your brain calculates the fraction of a second difference between when one ear picks up a sound and when the other does creating a reference point based on that.

[–] myusernameis@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Beyond that there's been a considerable amount of research about our ability to estimate room size/material/shape while blindfolded just based on the reverberation of sounds in the space.

Oversimplified conclusion, untrained humans are really good at it.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

We can also hear the difference between hot and cold water from the sound it makes while being poured into a cup

[–] rocketpoweredredneck@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

My hearing is pretty severely damaged in my left ear, and for several months I thought everything was to my right. but my ability to locate sounds has come back. My hearings not any better, my brain just figured out that my left ears fucked and compensated.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That’s boring. Two ears only allow you to put the sound somewhere on a plane (the vertical one that cuts your body in half lengthwise). How do you know the β€˜height’ of the sound on that plane? By utilizing the different distortions the sound goes through while being funneled through your auricle.

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think the β€œmore to it” might be significantly crazier than the timing thing.

Or ears have unique complex shapes that attenuate certain frequencies and bounce sound around in complex ways depending on the direction they are coming from. And our brains instantly process all that stuff too. It’s why our sense of hearing isn’t just on a flat plane around our head.

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[–] qupada@fedia.io 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I got into an argument with someone once about this, when they told me (paraphrasing) "it's safe to drive listening to music through headphones, because they let outside sound in".

Yes they indeed might, but - even ignoring delay introduced from digital electronics - you've now lost all sense of where that sound is coming from, because you're listening to the sound of one microphone being played through one speaker.

The human ear really is an incredible thing.

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[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

A lot of it is less math and more just approximations using old data, just fitting a complex statistical model neural nets suck ass at math

[–] scarilog@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah, your brain is not doing projectile motion equations in real time, it's the same process as teaching a neutral network to approximate a parabola.

Don't get me wrong, it's incredibly impressive that this prediction in our brain requires the visual processing of data from eyes to identify an object flying through the air, moving our hand in a perfect intercept course to catch it. All without having to have a ton of data points to 'train' on.

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[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 50 points 2 days ago (6 children)

If you're about to walk into a bar with you head, or like the top of a doorpost or smt. You'll instinctively pull back and avoid the obstacle, inches before it hurts, because your brain notice the hairs on your head moved. That's why men who have recently gone bald, often have bumps and bruises on their head. My bald colleague told me that for him, that was the hardest thing about going bald.

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[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 47 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

Throwing and catching always amaze me. And it's not something that everyone is always great at, for sure, but anyone can try to toss a wad of paper into the waste basket. Whether or not you make it, the calculations under the hood, happening so quickly, always astound me to think about.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago (4 children)

What's amazing is our ability to calculate the path of something in the air.

There's a test they did with Cristiano Ronaldo where someone kicked a ball to him so he could head it. They shut off the lights before the ball was in the air and somehow from the body shape of the person kicking it, he was able to know how to make contact with it without being able to see it.

https://youtu.be/0k2ey_okQ4E?t=1255

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[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 days ago

Most people who've been juggling for awhile don't need too much additional practice to be able to do at least a few blindfolded catches just because of how consistent your throws get after awhile.

The other thing that's interesting is how pattern recognition in flying things people aren't generally used to seeing develops. I used to play ultimate, and when people start learning how a frisbee flies they might be susceptible to chasing it down by following along the path of the disc rather than moving directly to where it's going to end up. This is sometimes called dogging the disc because (many) dogs do the same thing. But then you learn to "read" the disc and you can tell by the flight path and angle of the disc where it's going to land.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

microslippages: some of us just call it what it is ... masturbation

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