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Too fucking late, maybe if no-path-to-win Warren didn’t stay in the primary race in 2020 we would of had sanders. But the democrats can’t run a primary without ratfucking it in favor of their corporate donors.
This kinda talk is the right kind, but at the wrong time.
We are well past the "You can vote fascism away" stage
Voting alone won't do it. But please remember, Pinochet was voted out.
We need to support local organization and action, because without that, the vote is powerless under a fascist regime. But the vote, combined with strong popular institutions, remains powerful in all but the most withered of fascist states.
I hate to say this, but it's too fucking late for any sort of electoral solution, at least on a national level. At this point we need to develop local capacity to secure our progressive enclaves in liberal states and big metropolitan areas. This means rooting out the conservative factions within our police and firing bad actors, as well as training community-based self-defense forces. We also need to build more effective local resilience and mutual aid networks so that the Federal government can't dangle emergency aid over us when pandemics and climate-related disasters recur, as they frequently will. We need politicians who will defend our territory, boundaries and values, and fight to discontinue the tremendous subsidy we pay to MAGA territories. We need more self-sufficient economies that trade primarily with healthy, rights-respecting economies in Canada and Europe. It's a heavy lift and unfortunately I don't see anyone up to the task right now, as even Bernie, Warren, and AOC are stubborn institutionalists who will continue trying to work within the system even as it works against them and their constituents.
Bro, that state governments at local levels are as left leaning as they’ve ever been, yes they can be pushed more, but this theory of every Democrat being a corrupt neocon is laughable.
They could have been doing this the whole time lol.
They are still tied to the DNC Party Line, so that's why they haven't. This is also why the DNC cannot and will never be a Worker Party, it's organized like a business that sells policy to wealthy Capitalists.
Starting 40 years ago. They've been tripping over themselves to throat the Corporate dick for decades.
Then we never would have heard of them.
We might have heard how they're radicals, etc., before they disappeared.
Form your own party. Dump the useless liberals. Reconstitute the SPA and team up with the unions.
You are aware of first past the post right? That really needs to be the first thing on your agenda to get fixed. Until then, the USA will ALWAYS be a two-party system (with brief blips in change over).
Correct, but it need not be these two parties.
Unfortunately, Bernie will not be the one to lead that. Social Democrats fundamentally have to side with and cater to the bourgeoisie as they depend on Capitalism, unless you mean to advocate for a real revolutionary Socialist party. In the latter case, PSL already exists, and the DSA has powerful Marxist caucuses like Red Star and MUG that are close to gaining over 50% control of the party. I wrote an introductory reading list for Marxism if that appeals to you or anyone else.
Thats more of a step 2 or 3. Step 1 is that everybody needs to start putting pressure on the DNC and make sure they understand that we’re not going to take it anymore. And I’m not referring to that bullshit “not voting” rhetoric, because not voting is tantamount to voting republican.
Once the DNC is forced to listen to us plebs again, then it’ll be a good time to look at breaking out into more parties. But we need to put the fear of whomever they pray to in them first.
The reality of American political process is that it takes at least a billion dollars to run a Presidential campaign. (Thanks, SCOTUS) That kind of money doesn't come from unions, social activists, or proletariat donors. It comes from corporations and billionaires, and those people don't like revolution.
Until someone can demonstrate that you can get more votes with progressive, worker-friendly policy proposals than with a well funded propaganda machine, the DNC is going to keep chasing the less conservative billionaires. And no third party will even be relevant.
No, it takes a billion dollars to lose an election. Trump could of ran on a shoestring budget and he still would of won.
"Form your own party. "
Good luck with getting ballot access.
But no need to start from scratch - here's a list of political parties in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States
I just don't get why we're not training and endorsing out the next group with all this press. Sanders and Warren need to back and/or start a coalition of progressive up-and-coming leaders that they can help hone and introduce to the larger political landscape while they have the energy and influence. They need to stop being the only torch bearers and start bringing in underlings. Idc if they follow them around like a posse, might actually be better if they did. I would cuddle with Sanders all night if I could, I'm just tired of his name being the only one catching attention. The will try to bury any movement with him when his time comes, best to get ahead of it so momentum can keep going.
Social Democrats will always cater to Liberals, because they both rest on the foundations of Capitalism. Social Democrats aren't trying to disrupt the system, but prod it towards more safety nets. Even if they raised successors, they would face the same struggles, because the DNC can't support itself without the blessing and support of the Bourgeoisie as their donors.
A truly destabilizing movement comes from outside the boundaries of the normal electoral system and depends on real, actual Worker Organization. That's why it's helpful to read theory. I wrote an introductory reading list for Marxism if that appeals to you or anyone else.
Warren lost any credibility in ~~2016~~ 2020. She shattered her legacy as fully as Biden is draggin his own name through a river of shit now.
You got the year wrong, 2020 is when she was a spoiler going into Super Tuesday.
Ah you're right.
When she became a spoiler for Biden? Yeah....
It's kind of scary to think that this man could literally die any day and there'll be nobody to take his place.
Warren can go fuck herself, She was one of several that backed out of the 2020 race to kneecap Bernie Because he was projected to win the Democrat nomination. People like Warren fucked all of us.
FWIW she actually didn't back out with the moderate candidates before Super Tuesday. She did after splitting the progressive vote between her and Bernie, giving Biden the win.