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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I have been saying for the past 6 - 8 years that Gen Z is the future, they are different, they are compassionate, etc. My opinion changed on that Tuesday in a bad way.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 day ago (3 children)

“Crazy how Millennials were the only ones to learn how to use computers and we apparently are also the only ones who learned to see through disinformation,”

Whoever this Dylan jackass is can piss right off. Gen-X built your fucking computers.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Well, TBF, the boomers helped bootstrap what Gen X was working with, and then there are the Elder Gods like Turing, Hopper, John McCarthy, Neumann, etc...

In any case, if someone thinks that learning computers means they can see through disinformation....LOLOLOL. This is exactly why I keep beating the drum for critical thinking and media literacy, steeped within a rich liberal (in every meaning of that term) educational program.

[–] Stowaway@midwest.social 6 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Whoa there! Cant have the working class intelligent enough to see through the bull shit.

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[–] Laser@feddit.org 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's like every generation loses the ability to do something in computer technology that was just abstracted away somehow. I as a millennial have never soldered a PC mainboard (modding an Xbox doesn't count), but I'd say that otherwise, my understanding is pretty good. And I think all of my friends understand the concepts of files.

I recently asked someone about 10 years older if he knew what partitioning and formatting means in the context, and he knew, despite initially saying he has no clue about computers, to show someone 10 years younger (who didn't know) that such knowledge was just basically required back in the day. And it's not like these terms are obsolete, the concepts are still the same, even though we went from MBR to GPT and from FAT32 or whatever to better filesystems. It's no different for phones, but not required and even hidden.

I'd say generally, the technology userbase broadened while average knowledge in the group declined, however I'm not sure whether the absolute numbers of people with a certain knowledge level actually went down.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It’s like every generation loses the ability to do something in computer technology that was just abstracted away somehow

Yes, I've been hearing computer engineers (or those with that mindset) complaining that programmers don't really understand much about how computers actually work since before I even entered the workforce, but I kind of get what they are/were saying. I'd look around at my peers nearly the entire time I've been doing this, and I'd see some that really wanted to know a lot about, well, everything, in some cases, being interested in hardware, and then there were a lot, maybe more than half, that just focus on learning whatever the herd is telling them is the newest shiny object - and this is nearly always vendor-led and a lot of it is less about sound reasoning, and more about being fashionable. These days it might be a frontend JS framework, but exchange the set of terms/frameworks and it's the same old story.

These days it is increasingly difficult to know much about the actual target hardware, if you work in hosted services like Azure, etc...

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, Boomer grandparents did the real lifting if we're going back...

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

And some of the prior generation. There were some truly great minds working on this stuff that were the parents of boomers.

[–] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world -4 points 16 hours ago

Fuck Gen Z. Gen Y fo life!

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 182 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Gen Z grew up on social media. The same that spreads the propaganda, the fake information and the toxic masculinity bullshit.

They also grew up with an impossible social economic context where they barely have any hope. Trump's making promises to make the country great again. What have they got to lose?

Why is anyone surprised?

[–] scala@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They also grew up in a time where the education budget was slashed over and over, even some states like Florida getting rid of history and sciences during trumps last presidency. No surprise there.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well I guess their plan worked

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[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 87 points 2 days ago (12 children)

What have they got to lose?

Gay marriage, contraception, porn, legal divorce? Just off the top of my head.

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Their POV is that the earth is going to burn to a crisp before they're out of paying back their college debt whether the tie is blue or red.

Play an online game and hang with some teenagers every now and again and just listen in. I hear some straight depressing shit. They have zero hope for anything.

Kamala might keep the lights on. Trump might accidentally trip over a good idea. Worth a shot if you're fucked either way, right?

They were wrong, granted... but justified? Sure.

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[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 39 points 2 days ago

They also grew up during the pandemic so they might actually be less educated than Boomers.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As a Gen-X I will never blame the later generations. Especially Gen Z and younger, if I was in their shoes I'd be livid. You bring me into this mess and then tell me it's on me to fix it? F U

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)

As a Gen-Xer, we got the benefit of the boomers taking almost all the air out of the room, and their parents thinking our generation was even worse than the boomers. The boomers mostly ignored us, called us slackers, etc....some time goes by and we are getting lumped in with the boomers and the "greatest generation" and getting blamed for all the problems, so that's been fun.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Gen X had no future, it was all boomers until...oh, it's still boomers.

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[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Why hasn't there been a push to counter the propaganda on social media with social media?

Use short form, humorous posts that integrate facts and ideas that give a different more positive take on others. I would guess there are great writers and actors that have a progressive-ish mindset that could put something like this together.

But honestly what is the reason this hasn't been done? Or if it is being done why isn't there more of a push to get it seen?

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Algorithms ensure that the only content that ends up getting to your eyes is content that you already agree with for the most part. Or content that you hate so much that you have an incurable urge to respond to it with swearing and vitriol. (or at least that's why I think TikTok keeps giving me Maple Maga bullshit)

In other words, you can put up whatever you want but thanks to modern social media, the only people who will ever see it are the people who already agree with you.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

why I think TikTok keeps giving me Maple Maga bullshit

I mean... it shows the garbage to you, and you keep coming back..... maybe it's time to ditch tictack

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That would require ongoing funding outside of election years. These are paid for by Mercers and Kochs or the Kremlin on the right, and i don't think Gates or Cuban is too eager to fund left-wing propaganda.

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There is Holywood money in the world of progressive actors that could put something together but I don't know that world and how it works so I have no idea if it's something that is actually feasible.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 9 points 1 day ago

You will be surprised to learn how little money the most famous actors in Hollywood actually have, that's why they're all trying to sell vagina candles and tequila.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The Hollywood elites are full of conservatives and libertarians. The elites are the suits who finance those movies like Steven Mnuchin.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you don't control the platform, it might just be wasted efforts, although I guess they could try. But it might be that those pulling the strings can be sure that virtually no one is reached.

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[–] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago

The establishment wants to stay established, so they only use their established channels, not realizing how disconnected they became.

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[–] whithom@discuss.online 18 points 1 day ago

Trump Youth.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 102 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Millenials appear to have been peak liberal.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

If this is true, it might explain so much of why they were so angry.

[–] b34k@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Watching TNG reruns nightly as an 8 year old really gave me some hope for humanity’s potential.

[–] fusionsaint@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Just remember that according to the cannon timeline, the United States was rounding up people and putting them in “sanctuary districts” and in 2027 it’s the start of World War 3. Who knows, we may be right on track for that brighter future!

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[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 2 days ago

We were teenagers under dubya and the iraq war. Depending on how much the country swings into actual fascism this time, gen alpha might wind up standing for general anarchism

[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think the ones that elected FDR 4 times have us beat

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hell I'd vote for him a fifth time, but he's mysteriously not running.

Although I suppose he wasn't running the first four times either...

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Its never been up to a single generation anyway

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

When the link snaps open the entire chain is broken.

It is up to every generation.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No analysis of how the older generations that turned out for Obama and Kerry went even harder for Trump than Gen Z ? Gen X went Trump by 22 percent.

Gen Z is doing their best and if you put this all on them then you're going to lose the next election too.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It was pretty funny seeing people putting so much faith into these kids

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The funniest one was when they thought Taylor Swift fans of all people would save democracy.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"But that is far from a sturdy monolith. It can, and should, be easily conquered. All it takes is a platform that authentically offers something—anything—to youth voters. As they’ve proved, time and time again, they’ll listen."

Democrats: Sorry, we'll talk a big game and then just have 2 fuckwit Senators ruin everything. Don't worry though I promise next time will be the same!

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[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They about to be thrown off mom and dads insurance and learn the hard way about the "team" they voted for.

Not to mention the fact that inflation is about to go through the roof and there will be food shortages when they start deporting migrants.

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