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[–] GarlicToast@programming.dev 115 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Killed by the department of efficiency

[–] CPMSP@midwest.social 47 points 4 days ago (3 children)

It's an apt analogue for what we should all expect from the DOGE; burning to death while everyone watches in terror.

[–] Manalith@midwest.social 17 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Holy fuck, I never registered that that was the acronym for it.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, it was the whole point.

When Trump first said that, I wondered why the hell he's talking about Musk asking for a position title that never existed, and then he tweeted out some BS AI gen of him with the title 'DOGE' on a nameplate in front of him.

He basically is a 13 year old who never grew up.

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[–] Pirky@lemmy.world 265 points 4 days ago (41 children)

When I first learned that Teslas (and almost all other EV's) have electronic only doors, I knew this kind of situation would happen.
I hope this gets laws enacted that force manufacturers to install mechanical latches on all of their vehicles. I know Teslas have manual overrides on their front doors, but the rear doors still have this issue.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 90 points 4 days ago (5 children)

It's like if Titanic not only didn't have enough lifeboats, but instead had no lifeboats, and also everyone was locked in their cabins.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 68 points 4 days ago

The Titantic was designed to stay afloat long enough to allow everyone to disembark in cohorts on life boats to rescue boats and send the lifeboats back for the rest- it was never intended to fit everyone on lifeboats all at once.

It was that a mix of how telephone operators made more money off personal telegrams than ice warnings, and didnt relay the messages, and how nearby possible rescue ships had gone to bed and turned off their radios meant this process didn't get executed, and how because the iceberg hit the ship, essentially creating a large gash the entire length of the ship, causing the flotation bulwarks to be breached, which is a very rare occurrence, caused so much death.

In Tesla's case, that much aforethought hasn't been taken.

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 81 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I hope this gets laws enacted that force manufacturers to install mechanical latches on all of their vehicles.

Considering Musk's love affair with the incoming administration, I wouldn't bet on it for the next 4 years (hopefully)

In fact I'd be happy to just have the NHTSA avoid being dismantled in the next 4 years

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 44 points 4 days ago (1 children)

When I first learned that Teslas (and almost all other EV’s) have electronic only doors

I really just want a regular car with an EV power train. Don't to change a bunch of shit on the car, unless it is germane to its function as an EV. Things like doors, instrument clusters, turn signals, infotainment, HVAC controls, shifting (e.g. park, reverse, drive) should be the same as any other vehicle.

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago

See? This. This is why I don't trust my safety to electronic systems. The fancy computer controlled locks and latches are great when they work. When they don't, shit like this happens.

At least most cars still have a physical connection between the door handle and the locking mechanism. Not Tesla, for no good goddamned reason.

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 44 points 4 days ago (5 children)

what a metaphor for America

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

In the US there are nine investigations involving the Tesla Model Y, ranging from “unexpected brake activation” to “sudden unintended acceleration,” according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

Nice

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Those investigations will all end with "nothing to see here" in about 3 months from now.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Expect those investigations to quietly go away or turn up nothing in about two months from now.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago

Those investigations will all end with "nothing to see here" in about 3 months from now

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 75 points 4 days ago (19 children)

This is what it says on their website. Hope you've got the link handy if you're in a crash, and also that you're not in one that doesn't have this...

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 38 points 4 days ago (6 children)
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 80 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Look it's very simple if you get in a crash and are on fire.

Stop. Drop. Roll. Remove the mat from the bottom of the rear door pocket. Press the red tab to remove the access door. Pull the mechanical release cable forward. Remember that not all Model Y vehicles are equipped with a manual release for the rear doors. Die.

Rolls right off the tongue. If you're still in trouble call 0118 999 88199 9119 725 3.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (3 children)

For english press 1. Your call will be answered in the order it was received.

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[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

Not all Model Y vehicles are equipped with a manual release for the rear doors.

I think I see a problem.

Also: that's waaaay too many steps for an emergency. Imagine trying to dismantle the door trim when you have a concussion.

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[–] aeharding@vger.social 62 points 4 days ago (1 children)

In my neck of the woods a couple weeks ago five people burned to death in a Tesla. Apparently called 911 from inside the car too. No national news on this either.

https://www.veronapress.com/townnews/highway/update-on-nov-1-town-of-verona-crash-that-killed-five-people/article_39070b78-9ad8-11ef-8de9-a7707b602caa.html

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 158 points 4 days ago (24 children)

There is a manual override in Tesla cars but the feature is not widely publicized, experts say.

Tesla isn't the only culprit here. Any manufacturer that makes cars with electric doors should be required to also have a prominent and easily reachable manual override, instead of hiding a tiny lever underneath the armrest or on the floor, or behind the person's seat on the pillar somewhere, or any fucking place that isn't where you would expect a door handle to be.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 136 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Should just be a law to have a regular fucking door handle, we don't need fancy/electric doors. Telsa's should all be taken off the road with their shitty track record.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 43 points 4 days ago (4 children)

What? Regulating Elon's enterpreneuments? In this fine coming year of Trump 2025?

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[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 55 points 4 days ago (14 children)

Or, you could just have the door handle be the manual override.

It is a laughably easy thing to have the release for the door from the inside be the same kind of mechanical door release we've always done, for obvious safety reasons, and then have a little solenoid which can also trigger the release of the mechanical door release if the computer wants it to open.

The only reason to do it otherwise, and then need a separate manual release handle, is if you are okay with people dying in exactly this fashion so that you can make your shiny thing in the exact shiny way you want to make it.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 28 points 4 days ago

It is so intuitive, just disassemble the door when the car is on fire.

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[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 50 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I can't believe there isn't an NHTSA regulation about manual egress from an unpowered vehicle. This is just bonkers.

[–] DiagnosedADHD@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (13 children)

There are manual releases but they're hidden. They need to be more obvious because these cars are rented to people and obviously the owners aren't taking the time to figure out where they're at.

I would also think just having secondary power packs in each door would help in the event power is cut to ensure the doors can continue to function for a few minutes while also a speaker could explain how to use the emergency release if none of the doors are working.

All this added complexity and cost isn't worth it to me, manual doors just make sense for so many reasons.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 35 points 4 days ago

Or, how about this: it’s a door, have it work like every other car door for the last 70 years.

Redesigning stuff to make it “cool” and “futuristic” is fucking stupid and is clearly not safe. Doors have handles, the handles are pulled to open the door. Keep it simple.

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[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 4 days ago (2 children)

What fucking idiot builds fail-deadly electric door controls into a very flammable car

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 31 points 4 days ago

Anything owned by Muskrat

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah but mechanical car door handles aren't "Cool." You don't want to have a car that isn't cool, right?

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 19 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Some GenZ kids were talking about how cool rolling up a window with a handle was and wished it was in cars again. It was refreshing to hear.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

When electric windows became a thing I considered it a downgrade because it meant that I couldn't roll down my window when the engine was off.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

"when a crash disabled its electronic doors."

Female AI voice: Please stay in your seats with your seat belts on until Elon has been notified of this incident.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 36 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Always have an emergency tool in your car to break your windows in case this shit happens to you. Even if you're in a car not designed by a god damn moron.

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[–] USSMojave@startrek.website 68 points 4 days ago (15 children)

Friendly reminder that everyone should have one of these seatbelt-cutter-window-hammer things in their glovebox

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[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 31 points 4 days ago

So happy my car is not a tesla.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This reminds me... I need a glass breaking hammer for safety in my non Tesla car.

[–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They might all have one but if not, get one that has a seat belt cutter on it. And keep it in the front console, not anywhere in the back or in the glove compartment.

I knew someone (an acquaintance, we weren't close) who died in a crash because their seatbelt got stuck and they couldn't get out. They had one of those cutter hammer combos but it was in the back seat. Absolutely nightmarish.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Find a good lawyer and sue the living shit out of Tesla and "Leon." I agree with the majority of the comments.

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 14 points 4 days ago

Ah when you try to reinvent the the wheel, fail, and then kill people with it

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