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Seriously, what is with women's fashion these days? Any other 30-somethings lurking? (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 year ago by ClarissaXDarjeeling@lemmy.world to c/casualconversation@lemmy.world
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Maybe this is everyone's experience as they get older, falling out of fashion and balking at the latest trends.

BUT. I really think there's something uniquely terrible about this moment in (clothing) history.

I can appreciate elements of fashion from pretty much every era...from jazz age glam to swinging cocktail dresses and just about everything from the set of Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, to the pencil skirts and cat-eye makeup of the 60s, to 80s punk and 90s heroin chic, to the dELiA's catalogues of my coming-of-age and the midriffs of the 2000s.

But these days I dread shopping. Why are shirts cut like pillowcases and dresses cut like potato sacks? What's the point of a sweater knit so loosely the wind blows right through, or a neck cut so wide the sleeves fall down your shoulders? Speaking of, why are the shoulders/armpits in a women's "small" cardigan roomy enough for the Rock?

It all seems so frumpy, and not even functional. Aren't clothes meant to accentuate the body, rather than hide it? How are you other non-Gen Z women adapting to current fashion?

P.S. I will admit that having higher rise jeans is nice. It took me a while to get on board, but now I can see how the low rise skinny jean gave us all chicken legs ;)

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[–] Nintendo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this happens every generation. trends and styles change and people who came before it find it harder and harder to relate to them. in reality you just dont want to bother keeping up with modern trends that young people are into now or are too insecure to, so you're projecting it as distaste to trends of the younger generation.

personally, I think young women got it right these days. clothing for women seem less restrictive and young women seem to value comfort over the rigidness of previous generations' high glam styles.

[–] ClarissaXDarjeeling@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Maybe. But I can see the appeal in many other eras and styles that I didn't grow up with and have no business relating to...

Is it "insecure" to want a garment that fits the human form and doesn't bunch / ride up / fall off my shoulders / let in the breeze? This doesn't even have to do with fashion from an aesthetic perspective, it has to do with function and comfort. (Lord knows, I gave up on "glam" fifteen years ago...)

[–] Nintendo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a bit insecure to look at what young people are wearing these days, not think it's a good fit for yourself, and conclude that there's an issue with what the young people are wearing.

it's perfectly fine to have preferences in the fashions and styles you grew up with even if that's not what the kids are wearing these days. no need to yuck the yum of the youth.

[–] Countess425@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There's also plenty of fashion from each of those eras op wouldn't be caught dead in. Garters, girdles, torpedo bras, bee hives as tall as Jesus, shoulder pads...

[–] ClarissaXDarjeeling@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hahah this is true!! Maybe it's easier to remember the trends that aged well.

I think of shoulder pads as cringe, but apparently those are making a comeback ... https://www.thelist.com/465500/the-truth-about-whether-or-not-shoulder-pads-are-back-in-style/

[–] Kokanee08@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Maybe it's a bit like when people talk about the "good old days" of xyz music genre, and how music was better back in (insert year) compared to (current year).

The only songs from the 70s/80s/90s that still get play time are the top 10% songs from those eras and everyone forgets about the other 90% of crappy music that played on the radio.

[–] Countess425@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Everything old is new again. Everything.

[–] grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Perspective of a 50 year old man. You should wear what you like. I have long believed "fashion" is a money printing machine. I won't say it preys on insecurity because that is condescending and ignores the fact that many people love following fashion, getting new clothes, etc. But I do think the pace of change is specifically designed to turn over cheaply produced inventory and ensure people don't wear the clothes enough to wear them out.

I have been wearing basically the same clothes for years. If I tear out a knee I buy new pants. That kind of thing.

My wife needs to wear business attire and fairly dressy stuff (blazers, etc). She is always buying new things and donating clothing.

One of us is spending an order of magnitude more on clothes.

I don't begrudge this, she makes more money than me and has to dress that way because of her job.

The point I'm trying to make is to stay current and fashionable is pa kort of her purchasing but she also just wears stuff out very, very quickly. It's the way the clothes are made.

The marketing and poor quality (weak seams, thin fabric, inconsistent sizing, etc) is all designed up maximize profit.

[–] almar_quigley@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You have to remember every single point you made is objective opinion. It doesn’t make your taste wrong but it also doesn’t make your opinion correct. And yes, you are doing the thing all people do as they get older. You deserve a bit of an Ok Boomer for this post not being able to see the objectivity of personal taste.

[–] ClarissaXDarjeeling@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"Objective opinion" seems like an oxymoron, no? Did you mean the subjectivity of personal taste?

I didn't think this needed to be said in the context of casual conversation/griping...but no, I don't consider my taste in clothing (or music, or movies, or books, or food) to be objective fact that overrules every other person's perspective.

If I post about how pineapple on pizza is amazing (which it is) and all you pineapple haters are missing out, that doesn't mean I literally believe that everyone with taste buds will enjoy the taste of pineapple on pizza.

This is just my personal reaction to having trouble finding comfortable, flattering clothes beyond athletic attire. And I thought there might be other 30-something-year-old women on the internet with similar frustrations who could offer a pointer or two.

[–] almar_quigley@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mistyped and meant subjective opinion.

[–] elephantium@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I read your post to my wife.

How are you other non-Gen Z women adapting to current fashion?

Dress like it's 1950

She's into vintage fashion :)

[–] TeaHands@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I kinda like it actually. Disclaimer to go with that though is that I knit and crochet and sew my own clothes so if there's something I can't find in a shop I can make it, and I can also do basic alterations.

High-waisted is life for us big-hipped ladies. Wide-necked boxy-cut layering pieces speak to my casual goth heart. Baggy jeans take me back to my teens and are a welcome relief from the skinny jean tyranny that lasted up until a few years ago. Of all the cool things I've learned how to sew, my absolute favourite is a "potato sack" dress that I cinch in at the waist with a matching belt and go about my day in being comfy af.

Now if we could just get the pocket situation sorted out.

[–] ClarissaXDarjeeling@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It took me years, but I finally started to appreciate high-waisted jeans after it dawned on me...oh, you can tuck IN the shirt. (I also have wide hips, but most importantly a nickel sensitivity. So getting this layer of fabric between my belly and the top button was a game changer! And allowed for more comfortable sitting haha.)

It's interesting that you mention sewing. I'm not very crafty, but maybe I could find a tailor/seamstress to make the simple kind of summer dress that I find flattering & comfy: a knee-length cylinder of fabric, somewhat form-fitting but not bandage/bodycon-level slinky, with basic straps rather than boho pouf sleeves or fringe or whimsical off-the-shoulder cuts.

P.S. I was also kind of a goth in HS, but less baggy goth and more Shirley Manson/Faith the Vampire Slayer inspired, with a bit of skapunk influence from my peer group. But I'm too lazy to accessorize these days ;) So at home it's 90% athleisure, and in the office it's the traditional business (casual) wardrobe I established ~10 years ago. Only, that's starting to feel too formal, and I'm trying to reclaim an actual sense of style.

[–] prenupbutter@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Man, taste really is subjective because I have no idea how you can trash today's fashion while being totally ok with the cultural blunder that is early 2000s fashion.

I was looking at red carpet photos from some awards show in 2002, and everyone looked like they dressed themselves by stumbling blindly through the discount rack at Gap Kids. Probably the worst era in fashion history imo.

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Your problem is looking at awards shows for fashion lol.

[–] Laticauda@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Nah I like it, I always hated tight clothes. I am all for a fashion era of comfort and room to breath.

[–] Countess425@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

A lot of it is still "pandemic chic" when we all lived in PJs for two years with an occasional smart top for on camera zoom calls. People will get sick of it soon enough (I sure have. If I never see another peasant/little house on the prairie dress again it'll be too soon). I'm really happy with the boom in bras without underwire, though, I'm never going back to underwire.

[–] StingyAsian88@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

I'm 40 and I love it, I've been doing pandemic-chic for a decade now and I'm glad I'm now finally considered trendy instead of sloppy.

I'll never give up my skinny jeans tho.

[–] girltwink@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really like some aspects of it. The loose billowy pants are nice for summer heat, and you can make an interesting silhouette with them. But i absolutely can't stand the boxy cut tops. I see more and more zoomers rebelling against these trends and wearing flattering cuts. The thing with fashion in $current_year is that you can wear whatever you want. Shopping is annoying but still possible.

My suspicion is that these trends were driven by manufacturers reducing inventory during covid.

[–] ClarissaXDarjeeling@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Shopping is annoying but still possible

True true! It used to be easy to find styles that resonated, and now I just have to dig a bit deeper.

On the topic of manufacturers, I also read that boxy styles can be a cost-cutting technique. Because it's easier than tailoring/tucking or making other adjustments when the human form isn't a simple rectangle.

Size 0 models, too...it's not just about cultural norms or fat shaming, it's also laziness. It's more work to tailor a garment to a curvy figure than a waifish one. (Plus, there's the simplicity of only having to supply one size.) Which isn't hating on anyone who happens to be a size 0 or a boxy shape to begin with! :)

[–] Mantis_Toboggan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I feel like it varies within groups of people. But other times, I swear people dress like in a Limp Bizkit video.

It’s weird because I remember the older kids dressing like that younger people today and by the time I got to high school it was peak mid-2000s, with bell bottoms, crop-tops, graphic tees with long sleeves underneath.

It’s mostly cyclical.

[–] noseatbelt@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I like some of it. What I really like is that there isn't a specific trend that's most popular. There seems to be a broad variety of styles that are popular and everyone can just do their own thing.

I just can't get on board with wide leg pants but I'm happy to ditch the skinnies for a boot cut or flare.