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After one Trump presidency and on the eve of another, it is now clear that a once mighty global superpower is allowing its gaze to turn inward, to feed off resentment more than idealism, to think smaller.

Public sentiment – not just the political class – feels threatened by the flow of migrants once regarded as the country’s lifeblood. Global trade, once an article of faith for free marketeers and architects of the postwar Pax Americana, is now a cancer eating away at US prosperity – its own foreign invasion.

Military alliances and foreign policy no longer command the cross-party consensus of the cold war era, when politics could be relied upon to “stop at the water’s edge”, in the famous formulation of the Truman-era senator Arthur Vandenberg.

Now the politics don’t stop at all, for any reason. And alliances are for chumps.

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[–] john89@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Everyone reading this right now should recognize that America will be on a steady decline for the rest of our lives.

There's no point in waiting for it to improve. There's no point in waiting for it to fall.

Just accept that it is a trend that will not end while we are still living. Don't waste your life waiting for the day that never comes.

[–] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Could have settled into a northern Europe socialist type country. Good social safety net, good labor laws. Instead the country is going the way of petty, central American, dictatorships.

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago

That would be nice.

Americans have proven that they don't want anything that reduces the disparity in wealth, though.

That's why democrats nominated Hillary Clinton instead of Bernie Sanders in 2016, resulting in a Trump presidency. I also think that if Trump didn't win in 2016, he wouldn't have had a better chance in 2020 or 2024. So I actually blame 2 Trump presidencies on the people who voted for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 Democrat Primary.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

What this person is asking you to do is roll over and accept defeat. To embrace the fall into Fascism without a fight.

Don't listen to people like this. America declines because we let it decline. Fight like hell for a better world, please.

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

That's not at all what I'm suggesting and this isn't specific to fascism.

Greed and unchecked entitlement is what made America what it is today. As long as people can't see past their own wealth, these problems will continue to perpetuate. This generation is proud to take advantage of others and envies those who get rich off of exploitation.

Framing it as a culture war instead of a class war helps contribute to the steady decline of America.

Edit: The fact that you immediately jumped to 'fascism' instead of 'greed' or the growing disparity in wealth further proves my point that these problems will not be solved in our lifetime. We're not even looking in the right direction at this point.

[–] ef9357@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There’s no point. We lost.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

When the boot is placed on your neck you have two options: smile and start licking, or punch that fucker in the balls as hard as you can.

[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 111 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes. When you elect a convicted criminal fascist with no guard rails or restraints, this will be the end of the United States as we know it.

Fascism has come.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not fair. You didn't mention that he's a rapist, racist and Jeffrey Epstein's closest friend.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Possibly a pedophile as well

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 65 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes. One of the parties has embraced dictatorship. Democracy cannot continue in that environment.

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 63 points 1 week ago (5 children)

american dream was lost a while back. now its a matter of losing american sanity.

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[–] PoopSpiderman@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I still think a bloody class war would go a long way.

[–] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago (2 children)

More than half your class is too busy licking their boots to unite against them. They’re grateful for the scraps they’re being given, while worshipping their masters.

[–] PoopSpiderman@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I completely agree. That’s why Fox News exists. It was meant to create the bootlickers, and create the division.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's a lot more than Fox out there echoing the narrative that times are hard, inflation is killing you, and there aren't enough homes to go around. Wapo and NYT would happily recount Trump's claims that it's because immigrants are taking all the houses and jobs while Biden policies are making everything expensive. Doesn't matter if they follow up with long-winded explanations that his claims aren't true, because most people stop listening when they hear there's someone to blame.

[–] PoopSpiderman@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You make excellent points. The divide in this country was well researched, and well planned. The fears, and insecurities of the conservative base have been coddled, and amplified to great effect.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

You see and hear it all the time, the "news" repeats the lie and says something like "and while there's some truth to that, what's more impactful......."

So they sort of disputed it but not really and they got to repeat the lie.

Trump was right about one thing, the media are not our friend. They've profited from him at every step, propped him up, coddled him, both sides of the media are complicit. When the pogroms start, I hope the talking head media elite are on the lists.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 week ago

"The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it." - George Carlin

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago

The Republican war on the middle class is what's killed the American Dream. Doing everything possible to reduce the buying power of white and blue-collar workers has gutted class mobility. The Democrats have played along to keep shifting the Overton Window towards the right to help make it happen. Donors happy all around as they move production offshore for low labor cost.

System working as intended.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

ask again in 4 years when the rapist refuses to step down and his court lackeys back him on it

[–] Catma@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I dont think he makes it 4 years. He is just the means to an end. Vance i think 25th amendments him Jan 21, 2027. That way he wont serve 2 years and can run for 2 full terms. Its that or they just kill him. Dems will 100% get the blame and it could get even worse.

I think it is if you serve more than half a term it counts as 1 term for purposes of the 2 term limit.

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You're cute that you think we'll have elections again. Before the midterms, they'll run a false flag operation so they can declare martial law and cancel elections.

"If I'm elected, you'll never have to vote again!"

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

We'll have elections just like Russia and China do

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[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This, of course, assumes he doesn't just drop dead of any one of a dozen age-related health issues one day.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

If Trump dies in office, I'd prefer it to be a lighning strike while he's golfing.

Something that even the craziest of the MAGAts can't get away with blaming on the democrats.

[–] uebquauntbez@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Trust him, the new 'Messiah' will hold back every hurricane with his neutron bombs. /s

[–] eccentric@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If Trump dies in office, I'd prefer it to be a lighning strike while he's golfing.

Believe it or not, some of them believe Democrats control the weather. I can hear it now, "Democrats assassinated Trump with lightning!"


"They" can control the weather, and the proof is in the patents, said Georgia Republican U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene.

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[–] hohoho@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

Right wing propaganda networks pumping out fear of immigrants 24/7 was all too successful. We need to find ways to combat this and the type of drivel this article purveys. We have to find ways of coming together instead of letting these populist movements divide and conquer.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

I've been thinking a lot about this, like others, and found one kernel of hope to hang onto: the only way to know a democracy is safe from internal threats is to test that democracy. This is that test. This is the tyranny of the minority that the founding fathers were worried about. This is the stress test for democracy and I pray wiser men have stymied the most malicious people in American history.

If we get through this, and are faced with another Reconstruction period, we must be diligent and exterminate bigotry and corporate undermining of government bodies.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

There are worse ways to spend your life than chasing the American dream. But once you've found it, like I did in Vegas, what's called the old Psychiatrist's Club, then it is kind of puzzling. You feel kind of naked and alone out there, because once you've found the dream, it is generally just a slab of burned-out concrete in Las Vegas called the old Psychiatrist's Club, then it's kind of hard to go on from there on the same.

  • Hunter S. Thompson, November 1, 1977, Lecture at the University of Colorado (Boulder)
[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago

If I can quote the late George Carlin: "They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."

I would argue that George was right and the American dream doesn't exist, and never existed. You cannot destroy that which does not exist..

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Pfft, they havent lost faith in it. They just voted against it because they're all uneducated morons who take lies at face value.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Yes.

Yes it is.

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