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Honestly no, and that's okay?

Early web2 websites like MySpace did become "popular". But IMO one of its layckings was trying out web2 by evolving something from web1's static websites.

Where Facebook is the platform that popularized web2 in a way that worked with what web2 was and fundamentally build something new off of that.

I think Lemmy/mastatdon/most current federated clones that exist today won't last all that long. Something that is built with federation to its core and instead of just being a feature, is central to its offering.

What is that? Not a god damn clue.

But I'm excited to try it out.

Disclaimer: not a historian. Born in the early 90s so a lot of my judgement above is bassed off of foggy memories and are my opinions and only opions.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

It depends whether the servers can handle the inevitable next Reddit exodus.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago

I think the Fediverse will be popular. It's already being adopted by Meta in the way of Threads.

Popularity comes when major companies, like Meta, push for something to be in the mainstream. Will Lemmy be popular and be pushed for the mainstream? Probably not. The mindset of the majority of the admins is against streamlining it. It's why we have a bunch of instances and why so many of them defederated from Threads (which I agree with). They've even taken steps to stop having so many people default to the .world instance in an attempt to diversify it.

[–] accarezzu@lemmy.ml 2 points 20 hours ago
[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I think we're going to need to start by defining what "popular" means.

According to https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy, there are 462,745 total Lemmy users. (Note: I know nothing about this site or their metrics; I literally just Googled "Lemmy users.")

If 462,745 people showed up to my birthday party, I would feel like the most popular person on the planet.

So, I think we need to consider a less abstract figure to answer this. Will Lemmy ever be as popular as a place like Reddit? I think that's extremely unlikely, at least not anytime soon. But will Lemmy ever be popular enough to sustain an engaged community? I dunno; I kind of think we're already there.

Maybe this is the old head in me, but I remember the decentralized days of the early internet, where communities weren't oceans of people on social media giants, but rather smaller, close-knit forums and message boards. If you spent a few months interacting, you would likely get to know and have specific opinions about individual users that you would regularly engage with, unlike the sort of hit-and-run buzz style of the modern social internet. I think right now, Lemmy is almost treading a special sweet spot between the two eras, and I'm pretty happy with it.

Although I will concede that I'm as addicted to social media as everyone else is these days, and I would certainly welcome the increase in on-the-minute activity that additional users would bring.

[–] simple@lemm.ee 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

462k are the people that have created an account, Lemmy actually has ~40k active users (and even then "active" just means they logged in once this month). I do share the sentiment that not everything has to be super popular but Lemmy really could use more people.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

I appreciate the clarity, thank you. As I said, I pulled a random googled number and wasn't trying to use it as the sticking point of my commentary. But also for what it's worth, it's not exactly a fair comparison to the larger giants either as lemmy's smaller scale means it is also less trafficked by bots, fake accounts, secondary novelty accounts, etc. Depending on what source you're looking at, twitter is claimed to be anywhere between 15-75% bot or fake accounts. In general my point was there are still a large number of people using lemmy on most scales, we are just choosing to view it on the scale of established corporate social media metrics.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Might consider that a lot of people have alts, maybe even 5+ alts, and there are a lot of bots.

40,000 monthly active users is probably a more useful number here.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

40,000 monthly active users is probably a more useful number here.

I fully agree. Again, I did not think that the random figure, which I tried to appropriately caveat, was the salient part of my comment.

[–] Abrinoxus@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 day ago

This right here

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm gonna say yes, for the exercise.

Four assumptions:

  1. Reddit will keep getting worse, due to the nature of enshittification and venture capital. Eventually enshittification reaches a breaking point where people leave or stop arriving.
  2. Lemmy (in a broad sense - et al!) will keep getting better, due to.the nature of open source software.
  3. Non-free alternatives to Reddit will eventually enshittify, law of enshittification.
  4. Free alternatives will use ActivityPub for the obvious advantages.

If these assumptions are met, given infinite rounds of enshittification and unhappy users, eventually a federated and free alternative will be the most lucrative option for the majority of users. Eventually Reddit will Digg itself a hole. Maybe Lemmy won't take over then, but it'll stick around.

The most unrealistic assumption is of course that the federated solutions will keep getting better indefinitely. Maybe they won't. But as long as people keep developing and contributing to the Fediverse, it's alive and improving in a way commercial alternatives cannot in the long run compete with.

[–] Nytixus@kbin.melroy.org -1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If the API fiasco hasn't really deterred enough Reddit users to convert, then almost nothing will. Except maybe when Spez gets around to monetizing NSFW subreddits and subreddits in general that are very large. But even then, I still say it won't be a giant deal. They'll come here but they'll want the Fediverse to strongly appeal to NSFW content and really the Fediverse is fine without it poisoning itself with that filth.

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can't say I agree with NSFW content being "filth", but I would agree that generally it's harder for NSFW content to find a home over here due to the increased moderation costs it brings.

[–] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world -1 points 22 hours ago

I also would not think of it as filth, but I also love its absence in Lemmy. Because that stuff acts like an STD and spreads and grows, and I’d rather just leave it out.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

Does it currently make a profit? If not they will find ways to make it worse. And even if they do make a profit chances are they'll want to increase their margins.

Maybe stuff like the Google deal could keep money pouring in while keeping usability at a respectable level though.

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[–] it_depends_man@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Depends, it's been a bit disappointing to see virtually no change since I started using it, particularly in terms of QoL. It is open source, so that's on everyone, including me, but I had hoped for more speed, etc..

Mastodon is way better when it comes to filtering.

Having the option of a reddit clone is pretty good though and I will stick with it. Who knows when and where it will get that critical bit of momentum.

It's already superior to regular forums, in my opinion, so now the question is what kind of format you want to have discussions in, instead of having to default to forums. That choice is a definite upside and I'm glad it exists.

[–] Nytixus@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 1 day ago

Truthfully, no.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hope not. Imagine all the crazies.

[–] The__the@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

so you prefer smaller forums to bigger forums like reddit?

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I prefer social media where people post because they have content, need help or want to discuss something, not just post to be hip or the site is popular.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 1 day ago

Anytime a platform gets large enough the grifters show up... "free market"

[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

I prefer fresh ideas and thoughts, even (especially) if they don’t align with my own values and beliefs. I thrive in that kind of environment. We, for the most part, seem to be at that stage. A stage Reddit was at circa 2009.

What I don’t want is this place becoming so popular that everything moves too fast and becomes derivative. I am not looking forward to an endless September. It’s probably inevitable, but if it could hold off another 5 - 10 years up to the point when I’m more into gardening or something rather than the Internet, that would be ideal.

I also fear that the model is unsustainable at a certain point. I trust Dessaslines and co aren’t chasing endless profits, but there does need to be enough people out there willing to donate and fund operations. Lichess is able to make it happen, so I hope we do here too.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Not with how federation works on Lemmy.

[–] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can't foresee Lemmy specifically reaching levels of popularity comparable to platforms like Twitter or Reddit. Barring some very strange disastrous upheaval of the whole landscape they and their ilk will continue to be Leviathans even with decisions at the top that look like outright sabotage. There is so much inertia. Maybe those two examples might disappear, but only if they're devoured by another just like them.

I can see Lemmy and similar Federated platforms with their quite sizeable yet comparatively miniscule user bases carrying on as they are and even growing a little bit and having some effect on the zeitgeist with the occasional piece of local culture seeping in to the wider platforms though people there will likely not know that's where it came from. I also think efforts like Threads or likely something similar that comes after will be where the fediverse meets any mainstream success essentially becoming part of those bigger platforms in some way I can't yet predict in detail.

The big appeal of Lemmy is ideological and technical, this will always limit the number of people drawn to it. If there weren't already giants in this space that wouldn't matter because there'd be a snowball effect that would draw crowds who came because of other people not because of any interest in how the platform functions or ideals to pursue and with those crowds could come more crowds until you have a critical mass. But with the situation as it is now, the big crowds that draw yet more crowds still, are elsewhere so you'll only ever have enthusiasts or ideologues that go out of their way to be here.

[–] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

I much rather that Lemmy remain the domain of people who want to use it because of how & why it differs from the commercial sites. Good! Then I can have a reasonable expectation of the demographics. The occasional shit mod notwithstanding.

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Which instance?

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 1 day ago

Not unless it gets a good marketing team.

[–] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago
[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 0 points 1 day ago

I don't think the form of Lemmy as a federated service will be able to scale.

What I expect is that, if Lemmy is successful, it will be as a platform for various Reddit alternatives, kind of like how Truth Social is Mastodon.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No.

They just copied redit. That included some bad decisions. Even when redit would do it better in the future, it still does not help lemmings.

[–] tomcatt360@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] tomcatt360@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mods will always have disagreements with users. Many others in that thread pointed out that both open mod log and the reduced use of tools like automod help mitigate the effect of bad mods.

Thanks for providing examples!

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I'm not even talking about disagreements. Only the behaviour of mods.

Well, in some communities the modlog contains real information to each action, while in others you barely find any entries, let alone useful info in these entries.

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