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[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 61 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Billionaires should not exist.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What? No. I'm so glad billionaires are a thing. They're doing all of that polluting on my behalf!

I mean there's only 24 hours in a day...

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

And they are collectively shortening our lifetimes too so we pollute less so they can keep their jetliners running during a lunch break in France!

[–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What really irks me are people that think there's such a thing as a "good" billionaire. Had an argument one time because I said all billionaires are inherently shitty, and my colleague was trying to convince me that Bill Gates is actually a good person.

Get real son, the path to billionaire is paved with blood.

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

bill gates being less shitty than most does not make him good.

[–] capital_sniff@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Bill Gates the Microsoft guy? The one that just demolished competition? The same company that ran afoul of US antitrust law? Bill Gates the guy that had a non zero number of African nations ask him to stop helping, that guy?

[–] Fandangalo@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

The math here is the sort of thing that drives apathy for me to make small incremental changes. If the superrich can dump ~250 avg. emission years over the course of a year, why should I do anything besides lobby against this mode of transport or other large consumers? Maybe it’s a “spirit of the thing,” but changes in my life seem so negligible compared to how ruinous some individuals are acting.

[–] the_artic_one@programming.dev 9 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

There are 801 billionaires in the US out of about 335,893,238 people. If everyone else were to reduce their carbon footprint by even a tenth of a percent then there would be significantly less carbon in the atmosphere than if every billionaire in the US were to reduce their carbon footprint to zero.

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This is also assuming that the 300+ million Americans have the same size carbon footprint, which is probably not true if you think about it for more than a second. I doubt the bottom 60% of earners in the country have the purchasing power to create that much waste through excess consumerism at this point.

Most of those "Shein/Temu/Aliexpress" hauls or 10x vacations across the world in a year you see on social media are not done by middle or lower income people/families.

This is very much a top heavy issue.

[–] Fandangalo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Sure, but the individual contribution vs. companies / state-owned organizations is like 70% come from 100 companies / orgs. So the individual percentage is still negligible.

I’m not disagreeing with the math. I’m saying when you want to make changes, you start with the most meaningful funnel. If you have 2 factors contributing to a problem, factor 1 contributes 70%, factor 2 contributes 30%, going after factor 2 seems like a waste of time. 1%s contribute 1000x the amount of the average. Who should be making lifestyle changes here?

#voidscreaming

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Ok now do millionaires

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I can’t get 3 people to agree on lunch. No way are we goi g to all agree on carbon footprint reduction actions.

It’s easier to stop 801 people vs 335 million.

[–] Shadywack@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Or, you know, we could just......you know.......do the thing that really takes care of the problem.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

The "turn the water off while you're brushing your teeth" crap on TV was a corpo psyop. Individual responsibility is a myth concocted and propagated by the very people who have actually been causing the vast majority of the damage.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What people fail to see is that we need billionaires to consume all the wealth we make, otherwise we wouldn't know what to spend it on. ^/s^