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[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 95 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fearmongering.

This is just what you get with the ad-supported model. Ads track views and interactions, it's how ads work. I don't like it, so I paid for no ads, and DDG has not picked up a single tracking attempt since then.

[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Do you know if these trackers should hypothetically stop occurring once ad-removal has been purchased?

I have a few apps I pay for that still seem to interact a bit with Google ads

[–] bluejay@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I did a quick test and confirmed no trackers were present after paying for ultra.

[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Interesting, thanks

[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately the app & privacy policy is extremely unclear about that.

Would be amazing if the privacy policy had clear commitments to protect the privacy of paying users. I'd be willing to pay for Sync if I knew I would no longer be the product.

[–] Reynari@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago

at least for Sync lj said that if ads are disabled the trackers are disabled as well

[–] erre@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's a privacy thread around here with a screenshot of the dev confirming via Discord that when you purchase ad removal or a subscription then the ads module isn't even loaded.. so no tracking.

Would be nice if the dev could answer this and sticky it. Seems like lots of people are asking.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I kept DDG monitoring after I paid and can confirm there appears to be no tracking.

All I had were a few tracking attempts from Google's ad platform 36 hours ago, which was right after I first downloaded the app and before I had a chance to pay for no ads.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 3 points 1 year ago

I also haven't seen any request to trackers yet after subscribing. The dev himself said the ad SDK won't be initialized at all if you pay for the ad free option or have a subscription.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is going to show trackers from all the links in posts and any external thumbnails that get loaded from posts as well, keep that in mind.

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 10 points 1 year ago

This precisely. Some of these tracker viewing apps are misleading to users who might not actually understand what they're looking at 🫠

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sorry, but FOSS apps won't catch on until FOSS developers actually manage to make them competitive with the mainstream apps. Most FOSS apps are visually unappealing, lacking in advanced features that users actually want to take advantage of, and are poorly-maintained by small, often single-developer teams who are slow to release updates and patch bugs.

Also, most web users are idiots, who should NOT be trusted installing apps outside of their "walled garden" app stores. While most of us here in this thread are probably more than capable of using F Droid and sideloading apps safely, the average user is not. So encouraging people to venture outside of the safety of their restrictive ecosystems is more often than not completely counterintuitive, as inexperienced users who sideload apps are more likely to have their data actually compromised maliciously (ie. ransomware attacks) than by apathetic advertisers who simply don't care enough to abuse you directly.

Don't tell people to use FOSS apps until there's apps that actually meet their needs. This sort of goofy, moral high ground that FOSS supporters use is off-putting for people who just want an app to check the news and post cat pictures on. It also minimizes the hard work that developers like the Sync dev put into their product; not everybody is a hobbyist developer, and some of them rely on their apps producing income in order to sustain themselves and their apps.

Like it or not, non-FOSS apps are a necessity. You don't have to use them, but you shouldn't try to force them onto others.

[–] lauha@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Also, most web users are idiots, who should NOT be trusted installing apps outside of their "walled garden" app stores. While most of us here in this thread are probably more than capable of using F Droid and sideloading apps safely, the average user is not. So encouraging people to venture outside of the safety of their restrictive ecosystems is more often than not completely counterintuitive, as inexperienced users who sideload apps are more likely to have their data actually compromised maliciously (ie. ransomware attacks)

Play store is definitely not a safe place for such idiots either.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 1 points 1 year ago

It's not easy. To be competitive, you'll need to work on your app full time. I'm order to work on your app full time, you either have to be wealthy enough to work without pay, or have some form of income stream like donation, or employed by a company that want to sponsor your open source app. Essentially, we'll need money. If you look around, you'll see that there is not enough people donating to open source app devs (voyager, which is a very good app, hasn't even cleared $250/month donation yet).

[–] donut4ever@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

TrackerControl is amazing. It is what I use to kick out or keep apps. Yeah, sync gave me the chills. Deleted it right away

[–] PutangInaMo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately I did the same after reading the privacy policy and seeing that there are 2 versions of the app for GDPR compliance. Like, obviously GDPR is the most user friendly of the two and yet it's minimally applied where only necessary, even though the capability already exists.

I get needing money because you wrote the app, but it rubbed me the wrong way and I uninstalled even though I use an app on my phone that blocks this stuff anyways.

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I liked Sync for Reddit, but the fact that the dev decommed the old app and made people pay a 2nd time for the ad-free version means I'll probably not support them going forward. That sort of GDPR shit just adds to that feeling.

[–] automater@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Same here. It was both the fastest I've ever downloaded an app and the fastest I've ever deleted an app.

[–] Poggervania@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know the dev offers a paid ad-free version, but let’s say Sync only had an ad-free version that you had to pay for to use - no free version is available. How many of y’all would honest-to-God pay for the app? This question is more for people like OP who, I am presuming, didn’t pay for the ad-free version - I have a strong feeling those who paid for the ad-free version would buy the app in this scenario.

Ads suck, sure, but it’s probably the most reliable way for devs to make money to support the app and themselves. FOSS is great, but as far as I can tell those other apps are more akin to side-projects - whereas Sync is the main bread-and-butter for the dev. Like, there needs to be some sort of middle-ground here that both parties are meeting at.

[–] the_moosen@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

$20 for the ad-free version is just too much.

[–] EvilColeslaw@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

I agree it's too much, but on the other hand the potential user base for the app is much lower than previously with Reddit. So I can understand it, even if I don't like it.

[–] haych@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I like FOSS apps, but if a closed source app is better I'm going to use it. Oh no Sync has ads! Pay to remove ads and all the Google tracking is gone.

A lot of people came to Lemmy because Spez is a cunt and Lemmy is the closest replacement to Reddit, not because they bum off FOSS.

Also, dude you have an Xbox, that literally is spyware. By your own logic, you should be running DRM free open-source games on a Linux OS that doesn't have any closed-source launchers.

[–] Brisolo32@lemmy.eco.br 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If there was an app like sync that was FOSS I'd use it. And no, neither Jerboa or Liftoff work as well as sync for me. For the meantime I'm staying with sync

[–] knitipka@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

upd. To be honest, tracker control must have taken some of these links from the posts even if you don't click on the link. So I reinstalled the application, but everything related to Google from screenshot remained when other applications are clean.

[–] bluejay@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I saw this with other Lemmy apps recently. It 100% grabs trackers from posts as well. The remaining Google ones are likely related to ads in the app which I would expect to disappear when you remove ads.

I'll give it a whirl and report back in a bit.

[–] knitipka@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So I tested other Lemmy apps. Liftoff is clean, but tracker control grabs all links form it. But now I'm using Thunder, and after 20min of using, it only detect one link - to reddit.

[–] bluejay@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here's how I tested:

Pihole off on my home network, TC running. Open Sync (I paid for ultra, so no ads) and then exported the csv. There were zero hits. Open theScore (riddled with trackers and ads) and then exported the csv. There were 16 hits.

Left is Sync, right is theScore.

[–] searooter@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why wouldn't you compare this with liftoff or jerboa? What's theScore?

[–] bluejay@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

My goal wasn't to compare Sync to other Lemmy apps, it was to compare it to something I know has a bunch of trackers/ads in it. theScore is a sports news/scores app.

[–] Bosa@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Ya if you don't like just use another Lemmy app like I am. Voyager is by far the best app for Lemmy with no ads or tracking.

But ya would seeing all that can be concerning.

[–] Traverse0528@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lol. Don't use it? Not everyone cares, no need to share here. I recommend you quit your job and dedicate yourself to the FOSS community.

[–] automater@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Not everyone cares? Better not post anything then.

You know in case there is someone out there who doesn't care.

[–] sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If people don't want ads, pay to get rid of them. It's that simple.

[–] knitipka@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Not everyone live in 1st world country. 20$ is a lot for me.