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Portugal just being the westernmost part of Eastern Europe again.
I just checked and there doesn't seem to be a federated "portugalcykablyat" community yet. 🙁
In this case it's likely of Muslim origin, as iberia was under muslin domain for a long time and lots of Arabic names were behind.
days of the week in Azerbaijani 😯 https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C5%9F%C9%99nb%C9%99#
- şənbə - from persian, which comes from hebrew "sabbath" (day of rest?)
- bazar - market
- bazar ertəsi - day after the market day
- çərşənbə axşamı - day before the fourth day after the rest day
- çərşənbə - fourth day after the rest day
- cümə axşamı - day before the gathering day?
- cümə - gathering?
only 3 days count: rest - market - gathering. The rest is before or after
Why is it that only people that live right on a coastline use some variation of "day between two fasts?"
What happened in Iceland? I really thought they would have inherited this kind of stuff from Norway.
You are right, originally they did. The answer is catholicism happened:
A religious purist, Jón made it his mission to uproot all remnants of paganism. This included changing the names of the days of the week. Thus Óðinsdagr, "day of Odin", became miðvikudagr, "mid-week day" and the days of Týr and Thor became the prosaic "third day" and "fifth day".
Also friday (Frigg, wife of Odin)
The Finnish word looks oddly germanic(?) Was it affected by Swedish?
Borrowed from Old Swedish þōrsdagher, from Proto-West Germanic *Þunras dag (“day of the thunder god”).
Huh interesting, thanks!
When in doubt, always guess it’s a Swedish loanword. You’ll be right surprisingly often.
It's pretty literally just T(h)or's day. But how they turned Freya's day into perjantai is pretty baffling.
Even the german version is still close to this origin, Donnerstag is literally just Thunder's Day.
Another fun fact, while the norse pantheon is generally considered to be, well, nordic, before Christianity came they were also revered further down south by the Germanic peoples, sometimes under different names though (Odin = Wotan for example).
When naming of the DOW, the Germans followed the analogies between the pagan gods as e.g. noted by Tacitus. Mars -> Tyr, Mercurius -> Wodan/Odin, Juppiter -> Donar/Thor and Venus -> Frija/Frigg.
Lul, In Estonian literally just "the fourth day" 😆
Yeah, that's how it is for all the countries/languages colored purple on the map
Hey ,it is reasonable it is the fourth day so let's call it the fourth day.
Good old Basques/Vascons never doing like the others !
Dag van de donder.
Huh, I thought Chinese was odd for using <#>day and <#>month instead of naming each one. Guess it's just english and Italian/spanish/french that's weird.
I mean the last 4 English month names are basically <#>month, but never got updated when the Romans switched from a 10 month calendar to a twelve month calendar. The suffix -ber comes from the latin word for month, with the prefix being the Latin number Septem = 7, Octo = 8, Novem = 9, Decem = 10. The two new months (January and February) were inserted at the start of the year throwing the naming off by 2.
July and August were originally called Quintilis and Sextilis so the 5th and 6th months and renamed after the calendar change, to honour Julius and Augustus.
Exactly the same applies to Portuguese: Janeiro, Fevereiro, Março, Abril, Maio, Junho, Julho, Agosto, Setembro, Outubro, Novembro, Dezembro. Only the names for days of week are different here: Domingo (Sunday), segunda-feira, terça-feira, quarta-feira, quinta-feira, sexta-feira and sábado. Colloquially (at least here in Brazil) we omit the "feira" suffix, saying just "quarta" or "segunda".
Kinda surprising that so many people consider Thursday to be the fourth day of the week.
Well, that's the ISO standard, so if you think otherwise, you are wrong :)
[D] is the weekday number, from 1 through 7, beginning with Monday and ending with Sunday.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Week_dates
Actually some of the former British colonies and most of the Americas start the week on Sunday, Muslim World start on Saturday, Maldives on Friday, rest of the planet follows the standard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week#/media/File:First_Day_of_Week_World_Map.svg
That map is just what the Unicode consortium ( a California non-profit) decided should be used on it's standards.
It has zero authority on what day is the fist day of the week outside that and it certainly has not done any real research on what people actually use in all these countries.
Same with ISO 8601 in regards to dates. It's not actually used outside of naming sortable computer files (if even that) and certainly now used in common speech or official documents etc.
Simply put misrepresenting these maps and ISOs by generalizing what they apply to is wrong
We could standadize measurements more than 100 of years ago with the metric system, we can also do this with time and date. ISO 8601 is the future old man.
About that map I didn't search too much for it, if you find a better map it could be a nice new post in this community.
I find it hilarious that you bring up the metric system in regards to time and dates that actually failed to be metrified.
I don't need to provide a better map to point out that this one is wrong.
Well, that's the ISO standard, so if you think otherwise, you are wrong :)
Well sorry I don't think SO.
Muslim World start on Saturday
Wait do we? Our firstday is Sunday, but Saturday and Friday aren't numbered (Sabbath and groupingday, respectively) so I couldn't tell you if they're the start or the end of the week.
Sunday comes first in order in calendars shown in the table below. In the Abrahamic tradition, the first day of the week is Sunday. Biblical Sabbath (corresponding to Saturday) is when God rested from six-day Creation, making the day following the Sabbath the first day of the week (corresponding to Sunday). Seventh-day Sabbaths were sanctified for celebration and rest. After the week was adopted in early Christianity, Sunday remained the first day of the week, but also gradually displaced Saturday as the day of celebration and rest, being considered the Lord's Day.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_days_of_the_week#Days_numbered_from_Saturday
So in Abrahamic religions, first day of week is Sunday, as the day after Sabbath. In Germany, Monday became day one in 1969 (DRG), and 1975 (FRG), respectively.
I'm surprised it's Iceland that's used the alphabet salad word and not the Welsh.
Since it takes "their language" so literally as to have English majority nations with a different word listed, I wonder how many other countries on this don't actually use their version of thursday.
This map is not about a nation's word for Thursday but about the word in different languages. Austria for example isn't labelled with any word because Austrians speak German and the German word for Thursday is already placed in Germany. The English word Thursday is placed in England, its most logical location. The Gaelic word for Thursday meanwhile is placed in Scotland, its most logical place. This doesn't imply that the majority of Scottish people speak Gaelic, only that Scotland is the country with the highest number of Gaelic speakers while England has the highest number of English speakers in Europe.
Yes I understood that, but I'm saying it would be interesting to know which other places is a similar situation of not a regularly spoken language. Since I don't speak any Scandinavian language and know very few latin languages, I have no context of which of these are historic etymologic notations versus a word people actually use, but I bet there are a lot of them.
The two sorbic languages marked in Eastern Germany are only spoken by small minorities.
nice
Political maps are a terrible tool for visualizing cultural / linguistic practices (and on this one, colonization didn't make it even worse). Just gotta roll with it and enjoy the weird assumptions :)
I am enjoying weird assumptions already, though? I added onto that sentiment. Are you confused about something?