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[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 129 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Even with a trans person does something shitty, such as Blair White, Caitlyn Jenner or Ezra Miller, it's not a free pass to misgender them. The only effect of that is the trans people in your life know you aren't the ally you claim to be. You aren't misgendering your friends because you are polite. It's absolutely not okay, keep criticizing crappy trans folk, but when you intentionally misgender then you attack all of us.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I can't say if they identify with that term, just that Ezra is nonbinary. However "trans" is an umbrella term encompassing lots of different identities, such as transgender, transexual, intersex, non-binary etc.

So Ezra was included because I thought they would be the most widely known shitty person that has a gender identify still worthy of respect.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 19 hours ago

I see. Didn’t know that either. I just don’t keep up with the joneses I guess.

There is a literal nazi who chose the name Augustus Invictus and I will call him that as I wish for him the absolute worst. He is on trial so hopefully he gets the worst.

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[–] JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone 83 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I only deadname twitter, am I chill?

[–] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 96 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Corporations aren’t people, they don’t have deadnames or pronouns. Fire away

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 days ago

Citizens United vs Federal Election Commission has entered the chat

(/s if it wasn't obvious)

[–] pmc@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 3 days ago

I think deadnaming the corporate entity Twitter is fine as long as a certain CEO continues to deadname his living breathing daughter.

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I've seen right-wingers try to weaponize misgendering as some walk on eggshells type of thing. But it really isn't. Just apologize if you do misgender someone and make sure to use their correct pronouns.

[–] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 91 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Also applies to misogyny in general. You can call out terfs (or just regular anti trans conservative women) for being bigoted shit faces without resorting to gendered attacks.

[–] unlawfulbooger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 16 points 3 days ago

Any person regardless of their sexuality or gender can be an asshole.

As long as you don't target them for their identity, you can call them out for their assholeshness.

[–] Alice@beehaw.org 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

People will accuse you of condoning a trans person's shitty actions if you gender them correctly, then turn around and use the proper pronouns for literal dictators

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I often ask people who deadname (bad) trans people if they also deadname Stalin. Oh, the mental gymnastics I often see...

[–] saturno@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

what do you mean by deadname stalin?

[–] yenguardian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 days ago

Stalin was not his birth name

[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

His birth name was Iosif Dzhugivashili if I recall it correctly.

[–] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Yeah no way in hell I'm remembering that, none the less saying it.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 days ago

i do not give a chili, find your own

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yes, but actually no. Using deadnames of companies is much more acceptable than for people.

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Despite what the Supreme Court will tell you, corporations aren't actually people, so you don't have to worry about dead naming them.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Deadnaming is not necessarily misgendering. Sometime people have deadnames for reasons other than gender.

[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

yeah it's depressing seeing people decide that it's okay to do asshole things if it is towards asshole people, I understand that you want to be a jerk back but it makes me feel like we lost the progress we just made towards not doing the asshole thing

[–] OrnateLuna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago

At least the issue for me isn't the being an asshole to an asshole it's the throwing other people under the bus while being an asshole to the asshole.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 15 points 3 days ago

Exactly how I felt about those pictures of Andrew Tate in swim trunks with seamingly no budgie to smuggle. Him being shitty to trans, doesn't make it OK to mock him for maybe being trans. Makes us no better.

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 35 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Ooh, this is a great template, can be applied to all variety of bigotry, which people feel is ok as long as it's aimed at other bigots, ignoring the fact that all they're doing is putting more bigotry out in to the world, and telling marginalised people around them that they aren't safe.

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

can be applied to any shitty behaviour tbh. Too many people think that once someone is shitty to them, they have free reign to also be shitty as a payback. They think they gave the asshole a piece of their own medicine, but actually they started rolling in the mud with them

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[–] beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago

Ugh but it’s so EASY to upset anti-trans people who are so invested in hurting others by using this tactic, and they deserrrrrve it so much

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

Meanwhile Alfred will be going around misgendering people because he does not give a crap about Batman's rule.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The one exception should be teachers who refuse to stop misgendering a student, and then only done by the other students.

Even then, there’s probably a better way to solve the problem, instead of a petty “no U”.

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