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Defunding planned parenthood would affect much more than abortion (lemmy.ml)

submitted 2 months ago by usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml to c/whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works

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[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 132 points 2 months ago

That's the Republican party in a nutshell today. They can't answer because everything that comes out of their mouth is terrible for most people, and they know it.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 116 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They want to punish and control anyone who isn't a cis het white Christian evangelical male.

It's Christofascism. Period. End of sentence.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you look at the history of fascism, you'll find the "christo" part to be surplus to requirements.

Its only when they're non-christian that we need to distinguish them.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean, the abrahamic religions seem to all try to create fascist states. Look at Israel as well as a few middle eastern fascist movements.

Then again, China has also satisfied a lot of the qualifications of fascism in the past century and they are mostly athiest IIRC.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Better to look at the three most Christian counties in Europe. Well, at least, the most Christian in the 1920s and 30s

Spain

Italy

Germany

They also had something else in common.

I don't think we can look at patterns of counties that america has taken every chance to fuck over they can, nor a people who wanted socialism but had fascism forced on them. For me, a better yardstick is the counties that chose fascism, embraced it and ran with it.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 83 points 2 months ago

As an Australian - Defunding Planned Parenthood should only happen in conjunction with the introduction of Universal healthcare.

Don't need a third party, non-profit-that-chases-profits clinic if you're got a taxpayer funded public hospital that provides those services.

[–] dumples@midwest.social 74 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Also federal money cannot be used to fund anything related to abortion at Planned Parenthood due to federal law already.

[+] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -81 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Medical abortion. We still spend a ton of money killing fetuses with more traditional means.

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Can you expand on that last part?

[+] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -47 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Pregnant Women Are The 'Forgotten Victims' Of War

"Nobody wants to drive through the streets because it is too dangerous," says Dr. Andrew Weeks, an obstetrician and expert on maternal deaths who published a chilling editorial about the risks of war for pregnant women in the journal The BMJ. "There are no taxis. There's no money. So you start walking or being carried to the nearest health facility, which is in ruins. Of course you're going to die. You haven't got a chance."

And it's not just a lack of medical care, he says. Direct attacks on pregnant women are another concern. In his editorial, Weeks described women being shot while giving birth in Nigeria and a fetus being shot through a pregnant woman's belly by a sniper in Syria.

Without any official tracking of the number of pregnant women who die from reasons related to war, these women often become "forgotten victims," says Weeks.

"Every avenue you look at for women during war times, their health is compromised," says Weeks, a professor at the University of Liverpool in the United Kingdom. "The voices of women in war situations are often neglected. These are the lost voices we're trying to highlight."

[–] Denjin@lemmings.world 59 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Obviously that's terrible but what exactly does it have to do with planned parenthood funding in the US?

[–] TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world 43 points 2 months ago

Whataboutism. Just talk about something else terrible that's happening to draw your attention away.

[+] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

The US has a rule against federal money being paid towards medical service providers who perform abortions, because it is unethical.

The US does not have a rule against dropping a fuel bomb on a small town in Afghanistan, killing thousands of people (including pregnant women and their attendant fetuses). Or laying siege to the island of Cuba for 80 years and ratcheting up the miscarriage and infant mortality rates with sanctions. Or ratcheting up the cost of life-saving medications via the for-profit domestic pharmaceutical system, in order to generate profit at the expense of infant and unborn lives. Or sending aid to the IDF to assassinate pregnant women with bullet wounds through their stomachs.

In effect, the US is fine with federal taxpayer money going towards all of these different and horrible ways to end the life of an unborn child. Just so long as it isn't done medically, and with the consent of the woman. Because we don't consider this unethical.

[–] restingboredface@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Okay, but saying we are doing one dumb thing but justifying it by saying 'well we already are doing these other dumb/horrible things guess the whole system is broken' is simply giving up on the whole concept of organized government.

There is no government anywhere in the world, now or any time in history, that has done everything perfectly. But individual improvements to human rights and protections get us closer than just throwing ones hands up when it isn't perfect out of the gate.

We still fight stupid ideas like basically everything JD Vance has ever said because those ideas move us in the wrong direction. Defeating his idiocy doesn't make everything else perfect but it sure as hell keeps it from getting worse, and hopefully makes it easier to make more positive changes in the future.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago

Okay, but saying we are doing one dumb thing but justifying it

I'm not justifying it. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of our "Right to Life" policies.

The same folks bleeting about the rights of a fetish will defend a cop who puts six rounds through it's mother's stomach

[–] Denjin@lemmings.world 7 points 2 months ago

Must be nice living in a world made purely of moral absolutes.

[–] BaldManGoomba@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I got your point later on and you are right just saying time and place was weird. The whole context and a better summary would be better dropped on a disagreeing comment

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 39 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The video cuts off at "We don't want government funding for abortion...". I can probably guess what else was said but why cut it off there? It doesn't match up with the point they are trying to make.

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There is already federal law that stops funds going for abortions specifically

[–] dumples@midwest.social 11 points 2 months ago

Exactly. Defunding will remove everything else that Planned Parenthood already does which ironically will driving back up the abortion rate.

[–] ChowJeeBai@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Always about the talking points, never about the solution. Fuck all the politicians.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Well yeah, it's an election, do you think they're going to do anything remotely risky this close to the election? Solutions are for Congressional barter, talking points are for pleb voters.

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 months ago

It's because he doesn't want to say the answer:

He wants to get rid of contraception too and force people to have kids.
He doesn't care if that means people die of cancer.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

Does anyone have the full clip? I'm having trouble finding it.