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Mazda recently surprised customers by requiring them to sign up for a subscription in order to keep certain services. Now, notable right-to-repair advocate Louis Rossmann is calling out the brand.

It’s important to clarify that there are two very different types of remote start we’re talking about here. The first type is the one many people are familiar with where you use the key fob to start the vehicle. The second method involves using another device like a smartphone to start the car. In the latter, connected services do the heavy lifting.

Transition to paid services

What is wild is that Mazda used to offer the first option on the fob. Now, it only offers the second kind, where one starts the car via phone through its connected services for a $10 monthly subscription, which comes to $120 a year. Rossmann points out that one individual, Brandon Rorthweiler, developed a workaround in 2023 to enable remote start without Mazda’s subscription fees.

However, according to Ars Technica, Mazda filed a DMCA takedown notice to kill that open-source project. The company claimed it contained code that violated “[Mazda’s] copyright ownership” and used “certain Mazda information, including proprietary API information.”

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[–] darkevilmac@lemmy.zip 331 points 1 week ago (18 children)

Subscription services or software restricted features for cars should just be outlawed entirely.

Nobody likes these, if someone is willing to deal with a subscription product then they can do that aftermarket. The car itself should never come with something that will require recurring payments.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 125 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Nobody likes these

Shareholders love them

[–] abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I think I can speak for most Americans (and as someone who owns stocks) fuck the shareholders.

I'm conflicted. On one hand, I'm a shareholder due to broad market investments in my 401k. On the other hand, I'm a consumer.

On net, screw this nonsense, just make good products and the recurring revenue will happen due to happy customers.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 week ago

Shareholders love lootboxes too.

And one party autocracy.

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[–] baggins@lemmy.ca 186 points 1 week ago (9 children)

An API is not copyrightable 🤔

[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 100 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Doesn't stop companies from sending bogus DMCA takedowns to sites like GitHub.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 93 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

There are no penalties for filling a bogus DMCA takedown and the legal cost for restoring the content falls on the victim of such a takedown: the DMCA legislation was designed exactly for it to be used as Mazda and many other use it against individuals and small companies who can't spend thousands of dollars fighting bogus takedowns.

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[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

it seems everything is copyrightable if you are rich enough

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 40 points 1 week ago (5 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America,_Inc.

When two very rich entities argued about it it was determined you can't copyright API.

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[–] Fester@lemm.ee 110 points 1 week ago (36 children)

I was considering a Mazda for my next car. Now I’m not.

I live in a place that gets fucking cold in the winter. If the normal fob option were always available and you get the option to pay for the convenience using an app, that would be one thing - though $10/month for that is ridiculous. But removing the fob option and locking this basic feature behind a subscription is exactly the sort of game I don’t want my vehicle to play with me.

Go ahead and sell roadside coverage, parts/repairs, batteries, get royalties from Sirius or whatever for extra cash flow. Make a great app that adds new convenient live-service features and is worth paying for, even. But fuck all these new subscription un-gimping games.

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[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 96 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"you wouldn't download a car" was prophetic

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[–] boogiebored@lemmy.world 91 points 1 week ago (6 children)

"capitalism promotes healthy competition"

[–] spyd3r@sh.itjust.works -5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And Communism does so much "better":

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[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 75 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Having a car without internet connectivity would be a feature for privacy minded consumers

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[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 69 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Bets on which car company is going to be the first to EOL a server and brick a bunch of cars because some key feature is now "unsupported"?

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 61 points 1 week ago

Car manufacturers are being so blatant about this stuff. It goes to show that they know how slow regulation is and they can milk it for all its worth.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago (42 children)

There is no need for the internet to use remote start

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[–] firepenny@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Why does the car need an internet connection? Rather get a car from 2005-2010 that doesn't connect to the internet, more have a stupid subscription.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 45 points 1 week ago (11 children)

So...who is making the open source car?

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 48 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Someone very rich who doesn't feel the need to get arbitrarily richer.

So no one.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There are definitely open source-ish options. Google locost 7

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl -1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I don't think "ish" is a thing. Either the sources are provided openly under a libre license, or they are not.

What license does the locost 7 release their designs under?

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Imagine a world where the laws are literally used to opress you!

Now open your eyes.

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[–] Tygr@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Well, crap! Was seriously looking at the CX50. I’m not paying monthly to use stuff that’s already equipped in the car. Just madness.

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