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This post is from 2021-11-11.

It should've been apt-get but welp.

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[+] PrivateOnions@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

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[–] drew_belloc@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, my hand still slaps my face everytime i remember

[–] notepass@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But why? Wasn't it an error in the deb package of steam that did that?

[–] drew_belloc@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe it was before system76 created they own mirrors, so at the time a feel packages where handle by them and all the rest by the normal ubuntu mirrors, so steam would ask for a different gtk version them the desktop so the pop shop would refuse to install steam whitout updating the mirrors, if linus had clicked on the dropdown menu and choose the flatpak version none of this would happen, but instead he used the terminal and ignored the warning because was the first time that he used

[–] notepass@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Honestly, I cannot blame him for that. This requires deep knowledge of the subject and the fix is not easy to spot.

I have been using Linux for a decade now on desktop and server systems and he'll, even I would probably have told the package manager to go do it's shit and borked my system. Because getting weird errors, warnings and conflicts is just "the Linux experience" (TM)

I hope more flatpack based distris come up or stuff like nix gains some following. This would make it a lot easier for people with less knowledge to get into the Linux space without much technical knowledge or the possibility to Bork the system (to a degree). Meanwhile classic distros can serve the more technically inclined audience.

[–] PCChipsM922U@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It works either way, apt or apt-get.

[–] vkirlin@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember apt had a colored progress bar unlike apt-get. Don't know how it is now, using pacman and yay

[–] drew_belloc@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did you just say "i use arch btw" whithout saying it?

[–] iByteABit@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I love how unnecessary it was to the overall context lol

[–] huskypenguin@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For real though, what's the best way to install steam? I assume it's the *.deb directly from the site.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

flatpak install steam

[–] candle_lighter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Flatpak can't launch non-steam games via Steam :(

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah it can*

[–] candle_lighter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is there a way to do it without breaking the sandbox? I've been looking for a few days for a way to do this without any luck.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do you mean by breaking the sandbox. You add permissions to let it see other drives if that's what you mean. Other then that, I just let it see my home and add non steam games. They come up like you would with Windows.

[–] candle_lighter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://github.com/SteamGridDB/steam-rom-manager/issues/254 https://github.com/flathub/com.valvesoftware.Steam/issues/935 https://github.com/flathub/com.valvesoftware.Steam/issues/278 https://github.com/flathub/com.mojang.Minecraft/issues/51

I can't figure out a way to do it without using flatpak-spawn maybe I should create a thread on Lemmy to see if anyone else knows a way.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You just give it permission to see whatever directory you're launching the exe from

[–] candle_lighter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not launching an exe I am trying to launch flatpaks and appimages

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

[–] Bombastic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What is this referencing? In which video did this happen?

[–] JshKlsn@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One of the Linux challenge videos. Either part 1 or 2.

The Linux community loves hating on Linus for this, but honestly, it was a bug that popos has now fixed, and the video genuinely shows how difficult Linux can be for the average user.

[+] Rina@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

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[–] JshKlsn@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm sorry, but blaming him for breaking his os because he didn't check for updates first is ridiculous. The difference is that in Windows, the entire os wouldn't break if you decided to install steam first. If it did, you would blame Microsoft. Same with MacOS.

It's not his fault. It was a bug in the os, which is the fault of the pop_os! developers. You also can't blame him if the command he used was wrong, because Linux users love giving terminal commands to people without explanation and refusal to explain how it could also be done via the UI if preferred.

You know what the better reaction would be? To criticise the developers for allowing a bug like that to make it into production. To explain to the user that it happened to that it's not their fault, it was a rare bug, and was super unfortunate. Offer them an explanation, maybe suggest other distros that are more polished, and help them with their Linux journey.

Blaming them for something that wasn't their fault isn't welcoming, isn't going to want to make them want to stay, and will make sure they think twice before trying again.

Not sure why you're upset that he didn't want to use Fedora? That's the beauty of Linux, there are plenty of distros. That's what sets Linux apart. Maybe you don't want to use Ubuntu because of it's layout, or a different distro because it's red and you like green. No matter the reason, who cares? Guess what? I've had more issues with Fedora than any other distro I've ever used. If you asked me, I'd say Linux Mint is the best ootb experience, and I'm sure someone else will tell me that Linux Mint fucked their wife and killed their cat and that I'm a stupid racist for thinking that.

Edit: also want to make it clear that windows and MacOS both have their own issues, some of which are really bad. No OS is perfect, and I think we should stop being weirdly defensive over a damn operating system. If one of them was leagues better, multiple OSes wouldn't exist.

[–] const_void@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

LTT is a fucking moron

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was a bug in the OS

[–] drcobaltjedi@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

While true, he still did see the prompt saying it would uninstall a bunch of required libraries and powered through.

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On any sane system that type of warning is normal to ignore, Windows loves to throw them at you

[–] kevincox@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I like to actually have control over my computer, not to be treated like a child. If you give me a detailed warning and make me type out a string I think it is fair that you continue to do as I say.