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“It is damning that here in California, where abortion care is a constitutional right, we have a hospital implementing a policy that’s reminiscent of heartbeat laws in extremist red states,” Attorney General Rob Bonta said.

A Catholic hospital in Northern California is facing a lawsuit by the state’s attorney general after it reportedly refused to perform an abortion on a woman whose pregnancy was not viable and whose life was in danger.

Anna Nusslock was already in severe crisis when she and her husband Daniel arrived last February at Providence St. Joseph Hospital in Eureka, according to the suit, which AG Rob Bonta filed Monday in Humboldt County Superior Court. A doctor examined Nusslock, who was 15 weeks pregnant with twins, and told her they would not survive, the suit explains.

Without a dilation and evacuation procedure, or, what is commonly known as "an abortion," Nusslock was also at risk of death, the complaint contends.

However, it goes on, “Providence refused to allow Anna’s doctors to treat her, as the hospital’s policies prohibited them from terminating a pregnancy so long as they could detect fetal heart tones. The only exception was if the mother’s life was at immediate risk, a high threshold that Anna apparently did not yet reach. Only at some poorly defined point in the future, when Anna was close enough to death, would Providence permit her doctors to intervene. Until then, Anna and her physicians could do nothing but wait, worry, and hope.”

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[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 90 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Religion kills more people than all other causes combined. Abolish religion.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago (10 children)

I don't actually think that's even close to true.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If heart disease and cancer are god's will, it counts. /s

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I’m pretty sure they mean human-caused catastrophes. Although if we count meat consumption as a sort of quasi-religious behavior then maybe you’re right.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They are referring to the violence and wars committed over religion.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm aware, and I stand by what I said.

Estimates place death from all wars since recorded history at 1.1 billion. I'll grant you a bone and say religion has been responsible for an additional 2 billion deaths through any other means throughout all of history.

Mosquito borne diseases are estimated to have killed 52 billion people throughout history.

Original comment said religion killed more than all other causes put together. That's just simply not true.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Cause in the context above would probably be ideological. So the meaning is compared to other forms of ideology or other reasons for people to kill each other. Not natural disaster or diseases. Because obviously most people die from natural causes, and are not killed.

The original quote that was probably thought of is:
George Carlin: "More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason"

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Which is like 95% of all war. Mein Kampf mentions god literally dozens of times. No secular democracies have ever gone to war with each other, and virtually all autocratic regimes are religious.

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

id imagine its heart disease, and malaria

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Ideological cause.

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[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

According to John Green, it’s tuberculosis.

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[–] CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I religion is shit, but mosquitoes (and the myriad of illnesses they transmit) have killed more humans than humans have.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mosquitos were created by Satan himself.

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[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 81 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Faith is less than nothing when weighed against observable, measurable fact. Religion should never be allowed to overrule science.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I believe in freedom of religion, but if your religion prohibits you from the practice of medicine, you are not allowed to have a hospital. Jehovah's Witnesses and Scientologists don't have hospitals either.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Religion is like your dick: keep it to yourself in public, only share it with the consent of others, and you're solely responsible for any consequences arising from its use.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

And you especially keep it away from children.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

if your religion prohibits you from the practice of medicine, you are not allowed to have a hospital.

That should be obvious, but to the religious it's apparently not.

Freedom of religion is an overused term, to allow special treatment for religion.
Religions should have no more rights than ideology, because they are nothing more.
They should have no more protection against discrimination than ideology, because they are nothing more.
That means a harmful religion can be banned, and it is NOT discrimination but civilization.
We have freedom of thought, but religion should not have priority or privileges over other types of thought.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Nearly all our hospitals are run by church folk, so their beliefs are applied to all patients. Certain elective or life saving procedures alike have seen this story in some form.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If faith is all you have, you have less than nothing.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 52 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Hospitals should not be owned religious institutions. Here is a general reminder to anyone who has a Primary Care at a Catholic or Christian hospital. If you have an alternative hospital that supports the full spectrum of reproductive health, then leave the religious zealot hospital and tell them why.

[–] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm in Arkansas. Non religious hospitals exist?

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For you? No.

For other people? Sometimes.

[–] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago
[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

Bible Belt sucks. The firm grip religion has on every aspect of everyone’s lives it’s sickening. I’m under the same predicament. It’s a PITA.

[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago

People should also be aware that not all catholic hospitals are open about being catholic. In some areas they are buying up smaller practices and entire hospitals but keeping it's previous name so it's confusing and harder to avoid them.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is my take. They're pretty much a business.

Catholic colleges too. They're making money AND taking public funds.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Businesses with a religious dogma that makes victims out of people for needing healthcare.

[–] Regna@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

At least they had compassionate nurses…

Painted into a corner, the Nusslocks were forced to drive to a nearby facility that was not bound by religious restriction — but not before a nurse at Providence handed them a bucket and some towels “in case something happens in the car.”

[–] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Our healthcare system is so efficient that after a hospital refuses to provide care thanks to religious nutjobs, the at-risk patient has to take a bucket and a towel and drive themselves to another hospital instead of being taken by an ambulance with actual medical personnel. Maybe they were just 10 grand short of being able to afford it.

Holy fuck.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

"Oh, you said abortion. I thought you said a bucket. My bad."

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 34 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Daily reminder that religion is a monstrous evil.

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[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think to call yourself a hospital the law should require them to adhere to medical science, not a religious belief. If they want to be religion first, and medical second, then they should be a private clinic that is labeled as such so people know they are not going to get the full hospital medical care one would expect from an institution calling itself a hospital.

[–] Aviandelight@mander.xyz 7 points 1 month ago

We should have a law that keeps religious organizations from receiving Medicaid and Medicare reimbursements. That would stop this shit real quick.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Freedom of religion my ass.
Religion is harmful and dangerous, and should absolutely be required to follow the law at the very minimum.
Otherwise it cannot be acknowledged in a civilized society. And should not only lose tax benefits, but be outlawed.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

"Freedom of religion" at this point is a relic from when literally everyone was severely delusional. Religion and voting is like drinking and driving.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Religion is politics is ridiculous, religion in healthcare is just beyond unacceptable and completely fucked up

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

supreme court gonna allow this deadly nonsense and turn hospitals into religious death panels. Let the doctors decide things not a bunch of bean counters

[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

One of the worse parts is that they may soon have the only delivery ward in their area.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

I heard this on the radio and they were calling the hospital Providence, I didn't even know it was Catholic.

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