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[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 58 points 1 month ago (35 children)
  • Be an advanced, developed nation
  • Maintain the death penalty

Pick one.

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[–] menemen@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Reading about it I am not completly convinced that he is innocent, but I think that there is 100% plausible reason to doubt that he is guilty. This should defintly be enough to stop an execution.

Edit: Maybe read the whole statement before getting a rage fit? I said he shouldn't have been killed. I am also not moderate and (according to US standards) I am apparently not white as a muslim turkish person.

[–] Backlog3231@reddthat.com 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

It doesn't matter if he did it or not, honestly. If the state can't be 10000% certain the person they are about to murder is guilty of a heinous crime then it shouldn't be possible to fucking murder them.

This isnt about innocence. This is about the state denying this Black Muslim man due process and constitutional protections.

And on that note, its impossible to prove guilt in these cases, which is why the death penalty needs to be abolished. Are you comfortable with the idea of bring executed for a crime because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time? Because I'm sure fucking not.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

I'm convinced he is innocent. If he was not they would have evidence instead of paid testimonies against him.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's fine with a sentence of a couple years. But for how hard we've seen it become to commute a sentence, we need to be 100% sure for the death penalty.

[–] menemen@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I basically said that it is not okay, maybe you should have read the second sentence as well. But even with a "sentence of a couple years", guilt has to be profen, not innocence. If there is plausible doubt of guilt, there shouldn't be a guilty sentence.

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[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Call me radical, but I don't think any government should be killing people.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 month ago

There are a lot of governments in the world that agree with you. Not the US government, not at all.

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[–] donescobar@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

For the record, the super majority of pro-life Christian, patriotic judges in SCOTUS voted against stopping this on a 6-3 ruling.

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[–] christian@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

This kind of thing makes me go into denial. I hate my country, but this absolutely cannot be real. It's horrible clickbait, or propaganda supporting my existing beliefs about how inhumane it is here.

I struggle to imagine someone administering a needle for an innocent man to die, rather than quitting on the spot. I struggle to imagine someone certifying paperwork to appove this to happen. But I am entirely incapable of imagining the number of human cogs that would need to be similarly compliant for this to be followed through to completion. I am not interested in trying to imagine. This story is fiction because admitting otherwise will break what's left of my sanity.

You can show me horrors and get me to admit and speak of them as reality, but you can't get me to believe them.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago

A stunning number of people in the links of that chain could've stopped it, and none of them cared to risk their employment over it.

I've seen it said that if you live in the US, you can ask yourself a question: "If you lived in Nazi Germany, what would you have done to oppose that state?"

The answer: You're doing it right now. Nazi Germany's leaders explicitly stated that its model of colonialism and expansionism in eastern europe, eugenics practices, and its racial state, were all based on the US model, which nearly successfully carried out everything Nazi Germany failed to do: eviction and genocide of its indigenous inhabitants, stealing a continent, and erecting a white-supremacist state on top of it.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The Innocence project is real and they do incredible work. They rarely take cases that don't have new DNA evidence due to the difficulty in overturning a conviction. They could probably use your financial support.

–The site which we don't speak of had a mainstream news article to this story monday night explaining that the state was already refusing to grant a stay of execution even with prosecuting attornies new doubts.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I've come to realize that a significant portion of people just think other people should die and that's fair and they're OK with being the ones to do it.

I saw an Instagram reel the other day of someone in the military describing the best way to decide who to kill and who not to as you storm a civilian building, plus the latest Behind the Bastards about Yarvin's affect on JD Vance and their belief that violence / killing and enforced poverty / slavery is not only a necessary but desirable method of governmental change - not as a reaction to oppression but as administrative.

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[–] NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Misleading title, this was a Missouri State case, not a federal one.

That being said, there are way too many innocent people getting killed for crimes they did not commit.

The only purpose of the death penalty is revenge. It has no place in a modern society.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

Both the death penalty, and a system of slave labor camps, are allowed at the federal level:

  • The US currently operates a system of slave labor camps, including at least 54 prison farms involved in agricultural slave labor. Outside of agricultural slavery, Federal Prison Industries operates a multi-billion dollar industry with ~ 52 prison factories , where prisoners produce furniture, clothing, circuit boards, products for the military, computer aided design services, call center support for private companies. 1, 2, 3
[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

How is this a misleading title? On the one hand, yes, the fed can carry out state-sanctioned murder too (and it's something Trump resumed), but 1) it's absolutely the case that the "death penalty" should and could be banned nation-wide but isn't, and 2) this went before the SCOTUS for an emergency block, but it was voted 6–3 not to block (I'm guessing you know that all of the six were the treasonous fuckwits nominated by Republicans and all three were sensible jurists nominated by Democrats).

What happened here is absolutely still the fault of the federal government. Of course I still agree with the rest of your comment. I just mean to say that even if you somehow totally divorce a US state from the US itself, it's still the US' fault.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But officer, I didn't punch him! My fist did!

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[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 9 points 1 month ago

This is not justice

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

The US government is horrible to people living within it and outside of it

[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

Freedom!! He is free of the prison industrial complex and had to pay withhold life...

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