It's mind boggling that pro-Palestinian voters would support Trump. I understand opposing Biden and Harris supporting Israel, but Trump will be unquestionably worse for Palestinians.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yep, the vast majority of pro-Palestinian voters and Palestinians themselves have been suggesting Claudia De La Cruz, Jill Stein, and Cornel West, not Trump.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago (18 children)

None of those candidates will get more than low single digit percentages of the vote. You can vote your conscience or vote pragmatically. Voting pragmatically means voting for Harris to prevent Trump from winning.

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (15 children)

All candidates propped up by Republicans to siphon votes from Harris. We have a shitty system, but the way it works is Harris or Trump or abstain because you don't care.

I don't have a problem with people voting for a third party as long as they admit they are good with Trump winning. It's great to see socialists and greens showing up at the polls and voting for progressive candidates at every level. I just can't stand the naivety of a third-party voter thinking they are going to teach Harris a thing or two.

This isn't Bush v Gore where it was two centrist oligarchs battling it out to be more pro-business. The is President Donald J Trump Part II, this time with more fascism and executive immunity. If you lived through the first term and think, "yeah, I don't care if that guy comes back," then I don't know how to even relate as a human. Harris ain't perfect, but she must win.

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When you factor in first past the post voting, those options all become bad, and not because of the candidates or their position on the genocide. Great little video explaining the core of the issue:

Https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

I'm 100% aware of how FPTP works. I understand that if I vote for Claudia De La Crúz instead of Harris, that means Trump is more likely to win. I also know that if I vote for Claudia De La Crúz instead of Trump, that means Harris is more likely to win.

Given that I would never vote for either genocidal entity, I am not "taking away" votes for Harris. She can promise to sanction Israel or otherwise put an end to the genocide, and I would likely pivot to vote for her, as she would have fundamentally changed my single largest issue with her, despite thinking she has awful policy in general. However, this vote would be one she had earned, not regained.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Very few Muslims support Trump according to polling. This was a funny outlier showcasing what happens when people take the democrat parrot point seriously.

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In a duopoly, it ultimately doesn’t matter. But there’s no fucking way I’d ever vote for Donald Trump. I don’t hate myself that much.

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[–] FreydounHosseini@vegantheoryclub.org 1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Why is that bad advice to vote for someone you agree with? It isn’t like American elections are in any way real or the government of the United States gives a fuck about the people who live there.

[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Because our electoral system is so bad you have to apply game theory to your vote

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