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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/19944734

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (KCTV) - A sight previously thought to be science fiction is very real at a southeast Kansas City shopping center. Instead of a police officer, a security robot has been patrolling sidewalks and shoppers are taking notice.

Since Marshall the robot has been on the job, shoppers say the experiences have completely changed when they come to these stores. The robot can spend 23 hours a day monitoring the parking lot from all angles which gives people a new sense of protection and ease they don’t always have when out.

Marshall took over security at Brywood Centre in April. Before that, Karen White noticed a lot of trouble outside the shopping center.

“Sometimes it’d be concerning for your car like someone could take it or something,” White said.

Knowing now that Marshall is always watching, the risk of crime does not worry her or others as much.

“It made it very better, like you can’t be in the parking lot without seeing the robot,” White continued. “So, I think it scared them off.”

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[–] mrpalmer16@lemmy.ml 52 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Does it resemble a Dalek on purpose, I wonder?

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's like if Aperture Science designed a Dalek

[–] KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] JulesTheModest@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

I think so, lol. Dalek security guards are scary indeed.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 52 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

"Pick up your gum wrapper. You have 20 seconds to comply..."

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)
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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ha, good catch. Damn you autocorrect!

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[–] Srootus@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Imagine shoplifting and they show up at the exit like:

[–] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)
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[–] lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca 43 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

He has a license plate reader, he has facial recognition, he can read IP addresses from your cell phone or watch,”

Uhhhh.... How is it reading the ip addresses of people's phones?

[–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (5 children)

I imagine it MITM's the wifi? Obviously wouldn't work with cellular but thats the only this claim can ve even remotely true.

That being said they could do some shit with malicious bluetooth/NFC behaviour

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Well its probably not a MITM if its just an official access point

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[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 9 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

It probably just has a WiFi repeater in it

[–] icedterminal@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Someone made a mistake here. It's not getting your IP address. An IP address is assigned by the gateway when you're connected to an access point. An IP address is not an identity. They are always changing and can be shared. This has already been tested and upheld in court.

It's actually collecting your MAC address. Which is exchanged when your phone or tablet scan nearby WiFi points or Bluetooth devices. However, this can already be defeated. By default iOS and Android both have the option to randomise the MAC address in intervals. Making it extremely difficult to prove anything. This feature exists because the devices real MAC address never changes. It is unique. Alternatively, users can disable WiFi and Bluetooth scanning entirely. However, your device no longer participates in the Find My Devices program by Apple and Google, location does take longer to acquire in some scenarios, and accuracy may take longer to triangulate.

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[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 weeks ago

I bet it was something like the hardware id instead but she misspoke

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[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

One of these hit my car. It was out patrolling randomly in a parking lot and I pulled up to get a better look at it. I stopped like 6 ft in front of it but it just kept on coming and ran into my fucking car.

[–] Murdoc@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 month ago

"You are illegally parked on private property. You have twenty seconds to move your vehicle." -ED-209

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sorry, I laughed. Did it do damage? What was the outcome?

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Left some paint on the car but that was it.

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[–] EherNicht@feddit.org 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

BIG BROTHER advanced to level 3.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

On the one hand, yes, on the other hand, it's unlikely to brutalize or kill people for minor offenses, so maybe a win for a public space?

[–] EherNicht@feddit.org 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don’t know about you but I don’t like to be watched by big brother all the time.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Right there with you, but there's no legal expectation of privacy in public, so it's futile to complain about on that basis. Especially when ring doorbell cams are everywhere already. So the silver lining is a security robot won't do this.

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[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Unlikely, but there is still a chance. It could always call its pig cousins to brutalize or kill you on its behalf.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

Fair point!

[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 24 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 12 points 4 weeks ago

CITIZEN! DO NOT BE ALARMED! YOU WILL FEEL A SMALL TICKLING SENSATION AND THEN DEATH!

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[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

This is relatively low on my list of privacy concerns, being that it seems to be patrolling and surveiling privately owned property.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Radio signals don't recognize property boundaries.

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (3 children)

First of all if you're too scared to go into a store because you think your car is going to be robbed You're probably too scared to live in public. However from the description it sounds like this thing's just a tall camera? It can't do anything except monitor? So how is this any better than those towers with cameras on them?

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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] anarcho_blinkenist@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

exactly my thought

people consumed all these dystopian movies and thought "what a great rubric for society!" we're so fucked lol. These death machines (like drones and such) are also where the most work and funding go for machine learning and AI research too. What could go wroooong

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[–] ohellidk@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wonder if it can be hacked to spin fast in nonstop circles the entire day?

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[–] protist@mander.xyz 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I've seen Chopping Mall and know how this is going to end

I'm glad someone else had this thought!

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[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (29 children)

I live under a rock and don't get out much due to physical disability, but I don't see a security improvement. I see a data mining monstrosity and further reason to avoid local retail.

[–] gaylord_fartmaster@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Avoid local retail in favor of what, a website? If you're concerned about the data mining potential of this robot rolling around a strip mall then you should avoid the internet at all costs.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 month ago

Gaylord fartmaster makes an excellent point.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

It's a roving mobile camera. It doesn't get distracted easily or bored or tired and isn't apathetic and It doesn't hate its job. Criminals don't want to be filmed doing their crime.

Normally if you are not actively doing anything provably wrong the mall cops will just kick you out, this thing is going to provide evidence to the actual police.

But I have to admit any significant security advantages that it provides are going to be short-lived while the thieves just change their plan. They'll just have to be faster and more aware of where this thing is, or do a better job of hiding their face.

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

“Sometimes it’d be concerning for your car like someone could take it or something,” White said.

Wow, that couldn't be a better sentence to highlight the layers of meaning in that comment.

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 9 points 4 weeks ago

Imagine it had guns and tasers its gonna end horribly

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago
[–] ben_dover@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 weeks ago

did the engineers install red leds in the eyes? if yes we might have a problem

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

If I give the robot a wegie and put a piece of dirty underwear in its head, will it shoot me?

[–] targetx@programming.dev 8 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

This'll last until somebody with a mask spray paints the cameras.

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[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I have a really cute video of my 3 year old daughter chasing one of those through the mall.

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