No kidding. Is this not some kind of war crime?
this post was submitted on 21 Sep 2024
108 points (97.4% liked)
Technology
34687 readers
258 users here now
This is the official technology community of Lemmy.ml for all news related to creation and use of technology, and to facilitate civil, meaningful discussion around it.
Ask in DM before posting product reviews or ads. All such posts otherwise are subject to removal.
Rules:
1: All Lemmy rules apply
2: Do not post low effort posts
3: NEVER post naziped*gore stuff
4: Always post article URLs or their archived version URLs as sources, NOT screenshots. Help the blind users.
5: personal rants of Big Tech CEOs like Elon Musk are unwelcome (does not include posts about their companies affecting wide range of people)
6: no advertisement posts unless verified as legitimate and non-exploitative/non-consumerist
7: crypto related posts, unless essential, are disallowed
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
Yes, indiscriminate bombing is a war crime.
It seemed pretty discriminate to me
So they killed those kids on purpose?
Well israel does discriminately shoot children. We've seen them do this with everything from snipers to giant bombs.
But, obviously, the law against indiscriminate targeting doesn't allow for you to discriminately kill noncombatants, even if you're intentionally targeting children
It is Israel
Thought sabotaging enemy equipment to explode isn't.
Had this been a bunch of Russian or Wagner Group radio equipment exploding because they had been rigged by Ukraine, it wouldn't be a war crime - combatants don't stop being valid targets even if they are on leave and are at fault of endangering the civil population, possibly themselves causing a war crime by effectively using civilians as human shields in the process.
A pager isn’t “enemy equipment” in the same way a missile or a gun is. There were literally cell phone stores exploding in Lebanon. A 9-year-old girl died. This is 100% a fucking war crime. If someone kills a member of your family do you get to booby-trap the stove in their house so the kids get their faces melted off?
It's complicated, but this might be considered a war crime. A key quote from the article:
A booby trap is defined as “any device designed or adapted to kill or injure, and which functions unexpectedly when a person disturbs or approaches an apparently harmless object,” according to Article 7 of a 1996 adaptation of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, which Israel has adopted. The protocol prohibits booby traps “or other devices in the form of apparently harmless portable objects which are specifically designed and constructed to contain explosive material.”
The prohibition is presumably intended to make it less likely that a civilian or other uninvolved person will get injured or killed by one of these seemingly harmless objects. If you're booby-trapping military equipment or military facilities then that's not a problem, civilians wouldn't be using those.
When you are a paramilitary organization, the line between what is military equipment and what isn't gets quite blurry. Especially when they weren't really "boobytrapped", they were turned into remote explosives and did nothing until explicitly triggered.
If this isn't a military battle then that makes Israel's actions look even worse.
They were triggered indiscriminately. Israel had no way of knowing who was holding each pager or where it was located when it went off.
Are we playing hypotheticals? What if zios start blowing up anti-genocide politicians in usa? War crime or no?
I would think involving civilians usually is. Not like it's a first for them.
It should be if it isn’t.
Is turning anything into a bomb a good idea?
This article spent more time explaining the logistics on building pager-bombs than it did actually explaining why building pager-bombs is a bad idea.
If I Did It, by Bunnie Huang 😂
When I first read this, I was kind of hoping it was in shower thoughts.
It is a shower thought, just by a profilic tech celebrity.
cant wait for the next post, 'water is wet'
so much insight
Not sure if sarcasm, but the article is actually super insightful into a few different methods bad actors could use to accomplish the same feat (short of giving them a formula, from what I can read, but I'm not a battery maker)
The first time I heard about BlueHat was watching Bunnie give a talk on hardware supply chain security in Israel in 2019.
Two questions:
-
How many years do you think you'd need to execute an attack like this? A bit less than 5 years?
-
How much do you want to bet that whoever designed this terrorist attack was inspired by Bunnie's talk in Israel?