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I just don’t understand what people were expecting. I expected Skyrim in Space and got that. Expecting a true space sim on top of that? That’s an entirely different ask. I’ve got E:D and NMS if I want to spend hours hopping from one system to the next and deal with space physics. But if I want a story, Starfield is delivering for me.
I think a lot of people that are extremely critical of it weren't going to buy it anyway and just want to enjoy banding together to shit on it in camaraderie because it's popular to hate it.
There's also this sort of awkward dynamic that Bethesda has created with its player base where the extensive amount and kinds of mods their games end up with means people view every small facet of the game that they don't love as something that they want to change and modify, where a different game that's bolted down and doesn't have guaranteed mod support would just never have those little bits talked about at all, and the players would just talk about what they like instead.
If you look at comments about Starfield even from players that enjoy it, you notice that most of the time nobody says anything about what they think it's doing right, aside from a "and it's still a good Bethesda RPG", while also having a small list of things they don't like or want to change. Just knowing that changing these things is possible makes people fixate on wanting them gone or different.
Over all… I love it.
But it absolutely does need at least one mod. That inventory mod linked a few days ago, for example. That mod is a godsend.
I’d also like to see some sort of automated bulk-selling for outposts… or at least, bulk vendors and the ability to link to landing platforms/warehousing in cities (or some cities.)
And one that lets you create presets for ship power settings.
Hopefully it doesn't seem like I'm saying the mods aren't a good thing or that the game is perfectly fine without them, I just believe it creates this strange mindset for players.
I even do this, as I play Bethesda games I make these little mental notes of small mechanics and things as I play and then go look for mods to change them, sometimes even saving and stopping right then to go look, whereas in normal games I'd probably just be like "huh, that's just okay" or "I don't care for that much", but just move on.
Kinda depends on the mods.
Inventory fixes shouldn’t be coming out that quickly. A lot of the mods are fixes for things that really should have been looked into
Edit to clarify- I think over all it’s a fun game. But I also feel like with ten years of development…. It should be far more polished than it is.
I've actually not felt the need to mess with the inventory, but I'm sure I will eventually because it could certainly be better, but I find it just fine, the fact that people are releasing mods for that can say just as much about their preferences as it might about any inherent design failing. A lot of mods come out quickly moreso because they're staple changes that some part of the audience always would like to have upon release, not specifically because it's so god awful people just had to do it or they couldn't enjoy it.
I haven't noticed anything UI wise as egregious as being unable to sort your inventory by sell value in Borderlands 3.
Seriously, you should try this mod. Like, the inventory screen might be 'tolerable'... but it still sucks. The reality is that bethsada relies on modders to finish polishing out their game. all I'm saying is that the optimizatin and UI tweaks being so popular is a signal that they messed up, and that it's okay to have nuance: the game is flawed, but it's still enjoyable.
link to original post, credit where it's due, all that.
as a side note, another mod I'd like to see is the ability to build mother and parasite ships- that is, to be able to dock to a carrier platform with better cargo, dogshit handling and such, while being able to jump into a fighter for the heavy lifting. Or at the very least, sending jacked ships to port rather than your former home ship.
Yeah, that mod is definitely better than default UI, but I've also never felt like the UI was straight bad and I haven't felt frustrated or like I was unable to do something or sort what I needed to. I'm trying to wait for a few significant patches before I get into mods.
As soon as I start adding mods I then need to keep up with updating them as patches for the game release, and some mods don't get updated and break, and you know how Bethesda save files can become dependent on the mods you installed to load, so I'm trying to not go down that road yet. The UI is perfectly fine enough for me to not be the igniter for me to start modding, even though chances are high they'll keep it updated, I'm just enjoying the game for now in its own right.
I wish for a mod that makes it easy to find stuff in space - like do you think i can remember the planet where I have ytterbium marked when I need it? Or even find a named planet without clicking and zooming on every star. Kind of ridiculous it's not there really.
I'm thinking... a sortable database, after you've scanned it, the data gets added to it. You can then filter by material (or... combinations of materials.) and sort by distance. Also. A planetary coordinate system, that I can then place coordinates to directly land at rather than clicking around.
I think a lot of people that are extremely critical of it weren't going to buy it anyway and just want to enjoy banding together to shit on it in camaraderie because it's popular to hate it.
Ye olde Nickelback approach
I actually feel like there's WAY too much emptiness in Starfield and for its scale, there are very few different types of places to visit.
Bethesda needed to scale down quite a bit to make more meaningful places to visit because as it stands, there's very little to find through organic exploration.
I think there should be 10000x more vast emptiness but include ways to traverse it.
It is so space skyrim and i'm at 70 hours in. It's almost like space Daggerfall with all the procedural encounters. I've even warmed up to planetary exploration somewhat.
You dropped a hyphen. I wondēr where it fell.
Ooh ooh! I think I fōund it!
Article in question: https://www.pcgamesn.com/starfield/death-videogames
It says below that hyperbolic headline: "Starfield is a sweeping, exploration-filled RPG from Bethesda, true to the Skyrim and Fallout model, but there’s nowhere else to go with this kind of videogame."
Of course there is, the writer of this suffers from extreme lack of imagination. What I wanted in Starfield was a galaxy like Elite Dangerous, management and building like X4 Foundations, and the RPG gameplay and storytelling of Bethesda. Instead we got an attractive space part that really is all smoke and mirrors, but the gameplay is still lots of fun despite not being a good space sim.
The hyperbole is strong with this publication.
Reject AAA games, EMBRACE DEVELOPER GAMES
Bro go outside if you want a seamless world without loading screens.
Or as based king Todd Howard said in an interview "you may need to upgrade your system to play Starfield".
IMO a car or an elevator or a train is just an irl load screen. We can't escape it.
I have no idea where people get these unreal expectations from. The game is overall good. With one big 'but'. The engine is very outdated. If it looks this bad on release, just think about how it will look compared to other games 1 year from now.
It is just awful for a game released in 2023. The character model quality is the same as Fallout 4.