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NASA’s Starliner decision was the right one, but it’s a crushing blow for Boeing (arstechnica.com)

submitted 2 months ago by threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works to c/spaceflight@sh.itjust.works

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It's unlikely Boeing can fly all six of its Starliner missions before retirement of the ISS in 2030.

Assuming the investigation doesn't uncover any additional problems, and NASA and Boeing return Starliner to flight with astronauts in 2026, there will not be enough time left in the space station's remaining life—as it stands today—for Starliner to fly all six of its contracted missions at a rate of one per year. It's difficult to imagine a scenario where NASA elects to fly astronauts to the space station exclusively on Starliner, given SpaceX's track record of success and the fact that NASA is already paying SpaceX for crew missions through the end of this decade.

It is noteworthy to mention here that NASA has only given Boeing the "Authority To Proceed" for three of the potential six operational Starliner missions. This milestone, known as ATP, is a decision point in contracting lingo where the customer—in this case, NASA—places a firm order for a deliverable. NASA has previously said it awards these task orders about two to three years prior to a mission's launch.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'll be very surprised if we see another Starliner mission at all. In any case it's an utter fiasco because even if they did fly all six missions, it would lose Boeing a mind boggling amount of money.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

Interesting, I didn't realize these flights were a losing proposition for Boeing.

[–] Jagothaciv@kbin.earth 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Boeing makes garbage now that they have tried to push profits higher. Since the 2000’s they outsourced about 70% their parts and engineering. Big mistakes. I’ll never fly again on a Boeing. Fuck that shit.

[–] Trollception@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do you pick flights based on the plane somehow? Or do you show up at the airport and throw a tantrum when you find out it's a Boeing. Like how the heck do you pick which plane you want to ride on.

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago

Expedia shows the plane type, but I imagine they can change on the day without warning.

[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago

I was not aware that NASA had only committed to three out of six operational Starliner missions. Seems like that would give them "an out" if the ISS retires before all six missions fly.

[–] ptfrd@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

the company will likely need to redesign some elements in the spacecraft's propulsion system to remedy the problems

I expect they'll make a change to whatever is responsible for the helium leaks. But as for keeping the thrusters healthy, Steve Stich keeps talking about software/operational changes as a way to accomplish that, so we might not see much of a redesign (at least in the short/medium term).

Had the Starliner test flight ended as expected, with its crew inside, NASA targeted no earlier than August 2025 for Boeing to launch the first of its six operational crew rotation missions to the space station. In light of Saturday's decision, there's a high probability Starliner won't fly with astronauts again until at least 2026.

Wasn't it actually February 2025? With the delay to August 2025 only announced very recently, as a result of all these CFT problems?

And that might be all the extra time Boeing needs. Especially considering my previous point.

originally planned for an eight-day stay at the station

Well, yes, as a bare minimum.

the owners of a private space station will almost certainly go with the less expensive, flight-proven vehicle to transport people to and from orbit.

Will it be their decision, when the people being transported are NASA astronauts? I could easily see NASA wanting to continue their 'dissimilar redundancy' policy indefinitely.