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To clarify, the pictured poster Caroline Kwan is an ally, not a TERF. The TERFs referred to in the title are the ones ‘protecting a very specific idea of what a woman is’

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 156 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Yep, heard someone complain about Khelif and I asked them if we should have disqualified Phelps considering his genetics give him all the advantages and if they believed we would have complained about Khelif 20 years ago and if they believed that men who's testosterone is under a certain level should fight in the women's category. That was the end of them complaining.

[–] flerp@lemm.ee 78 points 2 months ago (1 children)

50 bucks says they didn't listen to a word you said and are still complaining about it, just in online echo chambers instead of to you

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 months ago

Well, if that at least shut them up for the time I was hanging around them then good!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I keep bringing up Brittney Griner and ask if she should be forced to play in the NBA and suddenly it's, "no, she couldn't even come close to beating the worst NBA player."

So if you're a woman with masculine features and want to be an athlete, you can't compete with anyone apparently.

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[–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 123 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Reactionaries don’t want womens sports, they want beauty pageants with extra steps; something they can fap to. That’s why they go after somewhat brolic looking women, regardless if they’re cis or trans: they no make pp hard, therefore they shouldn’t be allowed

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 59 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Look at how they used to require the female athletes to dress in beach volleyball. Men get loose, comfortable shirts and shorts, while woman were allowed a maximum of 10cm of cloth on their bikini bottoms.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago

And people were pissed when the new options weren't exposing almost their entire body. Got all angry about the woke giving athletes more options to choose from when performing their sport.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

And there were complaints when that was changed. Including the similar white knight shit going on right now- "how will they be able to perform at their best in shorts?! You're forcing women to have a disadvantage!" No, they're forcing your dick to have a disadvantage.

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[–] Yambu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 87 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Do women want to fight Imane? Probably not.

Do I want to fight Tyson in his prime? Probably also no lol

I'm not trying to make her look like Tyson but they are both outside the norm just like 99% of top athletes.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 65 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do I want to fight Tyson in his prime? Probably also no lol

Do I want to fight Tyson right now at almost 60, also no lol

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

At least now you can get the drop on him. He won't hear you coming!

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[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Anyone can become amazing at a sport if they work hard enough at it, but the top athletes are always going to be people who worked hard and have a genetic predisposition to it. Lots of sports are dominated by people who are taller than average. Where do we draw the line on a genetic trait giving someone too much of an advantage?

[–] averyminya@beehaw.org 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean, it's the Olympics. The best of the best. If we had a breath holding competition and that one tribe that developed extremely large lunge capacity entered, that's fair game IMO.

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 months ago

I don't want to fight her, and I'm a dude with martial arts training twice her size. The lady has skill.

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[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 72 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

I'll repeat what I said elsewhere about this debate. You probably wonder "so what should the rules be to include an athlete for women's sports? Surely there must be some rule". This is understandable but please realize that the transphobes who are pushing this aren't concerned at all with the specifics. They're not even interested in women's sports. They want to remove trans women from public life altogether. Not just sports but everywhere. Intimidating trans athletes into obscurity is just their most recent tactic.

So please remember that there is no test that will satisfy the transphobes. There is no fair rule that can be agreed upon, because the transphobes will always keep moving the goalposts. This gets extremely complex. There is no use in debating these people. They will debate forever, because the actual deep down motivation is disgust with trans people.

Save your energy. Don't debate transphobes.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 64 points 2 months ago (1 children)

When you're a gold medal winning man, you have overcome the obstacles of a normal man to become a superman.

When you're a gold medal winning woman, you have overcome the obstacles of a normal woman to become a man.

That's the logic at play.

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 15 points 2 months ago

That's so gross, I like it

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 57 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I looked her up again to get caught up on what kind of info wikipedia has updated on her.

I really admire her stance.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Honestly I can’t believe she is so brave to face the world with a stance like that.

Courage.

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[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Genetically, he's been disqualified for swimming due to having a Z chromosome, meaning he's sexually a fish.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 40 points 2 months ago

Phelps needs to be investigated because I'm pretty sure he is a largely a dolphin

[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago

It's not about protecting women. It's about attacking women.

There I fixed your conclusion.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 2 months ago (2 children)

i think we need a normie olympics, it'd be like the paralympics, but for people randomly selected from the average population.

[–] Perhapsjustsniffit@lemmy.ca 33 points 2 months ago (3 children)

My kid said just the other day. "they should have an average person do it first so we could see the difference."

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

Now I'm thinking which one would be the funniest. Hurdles are definitely up there

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[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You should watch Takeshis Castle then. It's pretty close to normie olympics.

Sometimes athletes go on, but the obstacles are so fucky even they struggle with it.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 26 points 2 months ago

This whole thing de-legitimatizes any point any TERF argument ever had, is what I'd say if there was any point they had to begin with.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 22 points 2 months ago (5 children)

She almost, ALMOST has it!

Just a little bit of mental extension and she’ll realize that this is the same reason trans women should be allowed to play women’s sports as well

[–] brotkel@programming.dev 31 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I was confused because despite the title suggesting she’s a TERF, this sounds on the face of it like a pretty trans-inclusive statement.

[–] Randomguy@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure she isn't a TERF, Caroline is a left-wing pop culture/politics streamer.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

Also, these TERFs (and other bigots) haven't seemed to have noticed that women who play sports at a high level like in the Olympics haven't asked for their protection.

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[–] xilliah@beehaw.org 21 points 2 months ago
[–] I_Clean_Here@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

How is that a TERFy statement as is? It's this post ragebait or brainrot?

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