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Children will be taught how to spot extremist content and fake news online under planned changes to the school curriculum.

Education Secretary Bridget Phillipson said she was launching a review of the curriculum in primary and secondary schools to embed critical thinking across multiple subjects and arm children against “putrid conspiracy theories”.

Pupils might analyse newspaper articles in English lessons in a way that would help weed out fabricated clickbait from true reporting. In computer lessons, they could be taught how to spot fake news sites and maths lessons could include analysing statistics in context.

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[–] wren@feddit.uk 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This is actually a very minimal change to the already existing curriculum - the (compulsory) English Language GCSE is 50% "Critical reading and comprehension"

Gov UK states all specifications must include:

"identifying bias and misuse of evidence, including distinguishing between statements that are supported by evidence and those that are not; reflecting critically and evaluatively on text"

Most people presumably... "forgot"? but this has been in the curriculum for decades

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

For me at least, most of that was just identifying rhetorical devices used by the writer and summarising what they wrote, not looking at the legitimacy of what's being said (it'd be hard to do that in an exam context anyway).

[–] wren@feddit.uk 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah, there's definitely a difference between curricula, what's focussed on in classrooms, and exam assessment criteria, but they're supposed to be cohesive.

I remember one of my big pieces of coursework was "writing from the perspective of an advertiser," and we had loads of lessons on identifying bias. I was taught in school that "red top magazines" are "less honest and more emotive" than "broadsheet newspapers."

Presumably not everyone had the same experience though: I mentioned this offhand and my friend told me "surely that's illegal to teach in a classroom?!"

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think a lot of what people are missing is around spoken techniques.

  • Recognising ad hominem attacks.
  • Recognising straw-man arguments.
  • Recognising circular reasoning.
  • Spotting embedded assumptions or premises in points.
  • Being numerically literate enough so that big numbers have context.

Yes, these things apply to texts also, but they can fly past you when somebody is speaking. You can't take 30 seconds to notice that somebody is arguing against something which wasn't said by the opposition. It has to be a reflexive "hang on a minute! That's BS".

[–] wren@feddit.uk 1 points 3 months ago

Hugely agree, those would all be fantastic additions.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 3 months ago

Though I'm not British, I have an interest in your education system because I went to a school that taught, up until year 11, the British education system. Years 10 and 11 were IGCSE, which is an international variant of the GCSE.

But in years 12 and 13 I took the International Baccalaureate. Which I have a lot of praise for in general, but particularly in regards to this aspect. One of the core components of IB that everyone has to take is Theory of Knowledge. It's essentially an introduction to epistemology, including learning about logical arguments...and logical fallacies. It's one of the most broadly useful things you can learn, and I think it should be in every high school curriculum.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

What my Dad always called "the elastic curriculum" - some politician gets a bug up their ass and demand schools teach it (eg BoJo and Latin). At least this weaves through different subjects so could be made to work. Still, it must be a bit difficult to teach critical thinking in religious schools.

[–] Zip2@feddit.uk 6 points 3 months ago

And that’s why religious schools need to stop, and the Church of England needs to be disestablished.

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

A bit difficult to teach critical thinking in religious schools

Religion requires you to not have critical thinking skills at all

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I went to a Catholic school - they did their level best ~~not~~ to avoid anything resembling it (and sex education).

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Just so I understand, the catholic school you attended did teach critical thinking and sex education?

[–] turtlepower@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

Mine did, too. Hell, I had a 4th grade teacher that taught the class how to meditate during the last 5-10 minutes of class. She would turn off the lights, have us put our heads down on our desk and would put on a CD with new age bell/chime/gong meditation music, and she would talk us through guided meditations; simple visualization and relaxation. She also taught us to stand up and speak out when we saw someone doing something bad: "You are doing the wrong thing!"

[–] name_NULL111653@pawb.social 2 points 3 months ago

My evangelical school did a "classical education" and made the mistake of actually having some critical thinking after all the indoctrination. I'm a pagan leftist transgender homosexual now.

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

must be a bit difficult to teach critical thinking in religious schools.

Which is why all religious schools should be banned.

[–] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 5 points 3 months ago

This is good, but they could really do with running these for older people too.

Here's one I heard this week for example:

"My friend down at the bowls club said on Facebook that they're not even real immigrants, but they're special forces soldiers from the secret UN Army and they're bringing them over here to take over the British and they've all got really good shoes and mobile phones you see, that's how you can tell and they're all of fighting age aren't they?"

[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)
  1. Avoid everything formerly called Twitter.

  2. That pretty well does it.

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

And facebook, instagram, fox news, gbnews, truthsocial

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 0 points 3 months ago

The state has zero incentive in teaching kids how to spot propaganda because the state would expose itself lol

Once peasants start using critical thinking they eventually figure out that "muhhh team right" does not serve them much.