A community for discussing events around the World
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
Just goes to show that conservatives are the single biggest threat to civilised societies everywhere.
How do we deal with them? It should be obvious by now that something needs to be done, but the rest of us can't just go full conservative and shove them in extermination camps like they'd do to us
Honestly, get rid of the tabloids full of misinformation. Make blatantly false misinformation illegal. Better education. “The more you know 💫” adverts. The biggest problem is the Torries who blame everything they can on immigrants. They need to legally be held accountable for the mountain of lies.
Make blatantly false misinformation illegal
Notably that'd only help if the majority of misinformation is coming from somewhere your legal system can reach
Not to mention that then it's up to someone in power to decide what "misinformation" is
Honestly, get rid of the tabloids full of misinformation.
In Germany, press law says that if you publish false information about someone, they can sue you to publish a correction -- placed as prominently as the original article. Which is how you get front pages like this: Counter-statement by the offended party, to the square millimetre as large as the original title.
Now don't get me wrong the Bild is still abhorrent. But that kind of accountability through embarrassment does make them think thrice.
Another approach would be anti-monopoly laws. Haven't looked into the actual ownership structure but by what they're writing and pushing the British press seems to be basically wholly owned by Atlas-affiliated people.
I hate to be that guy in this context but perhaps a governmental "ministry of truth" isn't all that optimal.
Free education alone would massage the issue, so would actively combating and preventing foreign states attempts to stoke the flames (China and Russia on Social Media).
Perhaps we shove them into “education” camps instead?
(Like high school / secondary school)
They've been to the same schools and have access to the same information we all have, though.
Yes, but did they take it seriously?
The question is do they even have the capacity for taking schooling "seriously".
Some do. A lot of them don't – there's are multiple empirical scientific studies that show conservatives are more likely to be… well, in a word, stupid. Here's a study I saw someone quote on Lemmy earlier:
- Does Lower Cognitive Ability Predict Greater Prejudice? [T]here exists a solid empirical paper trail demonstrating that lower cognitive abilities (e.g., abstract-reasoning skills and verbal, nonverbal, and general intelligence) predict greater prejudice. We discuss how the effects of lower cognitive ability on prejudice are explained (i.e., mediated) by greater endorsement of right-wing socially conservative attitude. […]
Right-wing ideologies offer well-structured and ordered views about society that preserve traditional societal conventions and norms (e.g., Jost, Glaser, Kruglanski, & Sulloway, 2003). Such ideological belief systems are particularly attractive to individuals who are strongly motivated to avoid uncertainty and ambiguity in preference for simplicity and predictability (Jost et al., 2003; Roets & Van Hiel, 2011). Theoretically, individuals with lower mental abilities should be attracted by right-wing social-cultural ideologies because they minimize complexity and increase perceived control (Heaven, Ciarrochi, & Leeson, 2011; Stankov, 2009). Conversely, individuals with greater cognitive skills are better positioned to understand changing and dynamic societal contexts, which should facilitate open-minded, relatively left-leaning attitudes (Deary et al., 2008a; Heaven et al., 2011; McCourt, Bouchard, Lykken, Tellegen, & Keyes, 1999). Lower cognitive abilities therefore draw people to strategies and ideologies that emphasize what is presently known and considered acceptable to make sense and impose order over their environment. Resistance to social change and the preservation of the status quo regarding societal traditions—key principles underpinning right-wing social-cultural ideologies—should be particularly appealing to those wishing to avoid uncertainty and threat.
Indeed, the empirical literature reveals negative relations between cognitive abilities and right-wing social-cultural attitudes, including right-wing authoritarian (e.g., Keiller, 2010; McCourt et al., 1999), socially conservative (e.g., Stankov, 2009; Van Hiel et al., 2010), and religious attitudes (e.g., Zuckerman, Silberman, & Hall, 2013).
Realistically, the only real way to deal with them is counter-protest, but that's difficult since the right has completely taken over the direct action/protest field in the past 10 years, so it's a question whether or not the left can organize anymore (unless things get really bad, like how Antifa was very active during Trump).
We can try to combat misinformation and propaganda on the media to try and prevent this from even happening or telling people that it's all bullshit, but it's not effective since many popular sources directly benefit from this misinformation (be it in clicks or political goals) and either turn a blind eye or purposefully spread it (notable instance being Twitter).
Unless some sort of magical fairy-tale leftist revolution happens where most people get rallied under class issues and inequality rather than race and shared bigotry, this will probably continue happening more and more.
On Reddit, the UK subs got extra racist.
Maybe they've always been and I'm too thick of an American to understand. But top comments strongly hinting at violence was at the top.
The racists are getting louder because people like me are leaving Reddit. It's fast becoming a nazi bar.
REddit mods and admins give the hard right extra leeway, temp bans for death threats.
I'm sensing some Israeli astroturfing going on. Many people are seeing Israel for what it is from since last year. In all this, Israel could use some diversion of attention.
And what better place to concentrate your efforts on other than the rise in islamophoia along with racism in current events. Help dehumanize your enemy abroad. Although the killer wasn't even a muslim, they are still being targeted, even after the facts came out.
Seems very suspicious to me and Israel isn't new to brigading and astroturfing. They in-fact have state-run programmes for it.
as does Russia. As does China. it's in everyone's interest to create shit sandwiches for the Brits to eat.
We aren't all racist. Far right are just incredibly vocal. It's the same everywhere. Left leaning population are also quieter.
They have always been. I had the option to move to England permanently and decided not to. The reality there is not pretty. If you’re a 100% white local you probably won’t notice.
If you’re 100% white you probably won’t notice.
100% white, cis, and straight.
There's this transmasc / enby / bigender "influencer" (Eddie Engels) who's planning on moving to the UK (and not exactly to what anybody would call a liberal-minded area either iirc) to be close to his currently long-distance boyfriend, and I feel sorry for the guy. He's just such a quintessentially queer character that it's likely he's actually not going to be safe there, and I really don't know if he's thought this thing through too well…
the things we do for love 🤷
Edit: I had to check because somebody asked, but it was actually Bristol he's moving to, which should be completely fine. Vague memory was vague, heh
I saw a young Asian-Canadian twitch live streamer visit one of the worse areas and he had no idea how close he came to being killed (at least until it was almost too late). A gang of teens with knives came after him. The second they pulled masks over their face I knew he was probably finished. Thankfully some cops saved him and dropped him back near his hotel in a tourist area.
Sucks we ceded all social media to the racists and advertisers that encourage them because of how much more engaged they are online
"The latest demonstrations follow a week of riots in the country after three young girls were killed in a knife attack at a Taylor Swift-themed dance party in the town of Southport. At the center of the demonstrations was a conspiracy theory, spread on social media, based on a lie that the perpetrator was Muslim, an asylum-seeker or both.
Less than three hours after the attack on the girls, AI-generated images were shared on X by an account called Europe invasion, depicting a man in traditional Muslim dress waving a knife outside the U.K.’s houses of Parliament. The post has since been viewed over 900,000 times.
A TikTok account with no previous content that called for protests near the attack site also amassed almost 60,000 views within hours, a spokesperson for Tech Against Terrorism told The Guardian."
Wow it didn't take long for ai to cause massive panic. Expect to see this kind of thing ramp up.
It was obviously gonna happen sooner or later, tbh I'm surprised it took this long
Big shout out to the Punk Festival that organized a counter protest on the fly and helped clean up the shit heads. Truly fucking punk.
Protestors clash with police as Pro-Britain rally moves outside Rebellion Punk Festival
Later in the video, the crowds are seen up at St John’s Square, as the rally - which was partly about anti-immigration - moved outside the Winter Gardens, where Rebellion Punk Festival was taking place. Festival-goers can be seen amidst the protestors, some who were counter-protesting with anti-fascist banners while some helped to clean up the mess - including broken glass from bottles that were thrown.
Nazi Punks Fuck Off!
Friendly reminder Belfast is part of the UK and had similar violence
Article failed to mention that
When I read UK, I automatically assume it includes Northern Ireland and Scotland. Otherwise they would just say England.
You would be supprised how often they don't when it's shitty news
I'm not up on UK politics, please explain to me why that needs to be pointed out.
Northern Ireland is on the Isle of Ireland, but part of the UK. Ireland has a fraught history with the UK. Look into "the troubles" if thats a new term to you.
I'm aware of that stuff, i just don't see why it's relevant to this current event
Because the headline talks about far right violence across the UK but fails to mention Belfast, which is a major city in the UK.
This is standard SOP for people to ignore NI in general, and im trying to highlight the "missing info"
Though there's nothing happening in Wales or Scotland that I've read about.
Older I grow, more I understand that Mark Twain was right when he said that the only way to make human beings from some people is with a rifle.
While obviously the above shouldn't be taken literally, they however should all be arrested, sentenced, locked up and keys thrown away.
I'm surprised it hadn't happened sooner tbh.
The police said "we don't believe this to be terrorism related", which seems to be code for "the suspect is not white, and Tommy Robinson is on the way". Or he would have been had he not fled the country so he didn't get arrested for something else.
There's a lot of hate for the illegal immigrants that have been shoved into run down hotels up and down the country, often in the poorest areas. I often check my local Facebook groups, and no matter what happens (ducks found dead, dog missing, theft, rape) the response is always "Probably one of the Novotel lot!" It wouldn't have surprised me in the slightest if rioting kicked off here as well. I suspect the only reason it hasn't is we're just not a big enough town for any of them to organise it.
The incident sparking this wave isn't even for that fire. It's a British guy who snapped. But people don't care. It's just an excuse now for a show of force.
It could all have been avoided by hiring more people to process applications back when the numbers started ramping up, but here we are with hundreds of thousands of immigrants awaiting decisions with nowhere else to go.
For a hot second there I thought the Bottle Blonde was one of our Howler Monkeys… and like … “oh good the UK arrested that bitch….” But no. It’s not Howler Monkey #2 (aka Marjorie Taylor Greene)
im astounded they were arrested
usually these news articles end with "and the police did nothing at all until a black teenager was spotted holding a churro and shot into a fine mist by 30 officers on scene"
This is in the UK, not the US, police aren't as heavily armed there.
America dominates my news feeds to the point that I just assumed law enforcement was an internationally fascist agency