The IBA is funded by Gazprom, and only disqualified Khelif after she defeated a Russian boxer.
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A Russian boxer whose “perfect” record was ended by the loss. By disqualifying Khelif after the fact they invalidated the bout to protect the Russian’s record.
The right would rather attack a real woman than, oh, say, a literal child rapist
Holy fucking shit.
Plus his defense was essentially she was into it...he's a gross person
While she was provided with alcohol
Wow...I'm impressed, he's even more gross than I realized, which is impressive because he was already the mostest grossest, I thought
I only read about four or five paragraphs. This just blew my mind again. Holy shit. Fuck this guy.
I read about and heard about (podcast and RSS news from the same site) a pastor who claimed the same (the victim was an adult): she enjoyed it because she didn't resist. Awful people.
Yeah, that's how I found out about him too...the grossest part to me is the complete abdication of responsibility because she either "came onto" him or "wanted it too" ... Seriously even if 100% did actually throw herself at him, he's the adult and should know better without even thinking. And perhaps explain why the 12 shouldn't do that and then NEVER TALK TO HER AGAIN..... And it just occurred to me why in the hell was he even talking to her in the first place what good could come of a random19-year-old talking to a random12-year-old regardless of gender‽
There is no context or explanation or proof of legitimacy/illegitimacy that is relevant to this discussion. The right is just excited to have a new attack vector against trans folks that also can be used to attack women writ large. 2 birds 1 bigoted stone.
She is not trans. At most what I read is that she is somewhat in the intersex spectrum. (This is at leas what newspapers were reporting a few days ago)
That’s what the IBA claims, but it seems they did it so the Russian boxer she defeated would still have a “perfect” record by invalidating their match. They made the same claim against the Taiwanese boxer who is a double world champion (I can’t find the reasoning for it though). There is no credibility to the claims that either are anything but cis woman.
No, I read it from many newspapers and commentators that were defending her, if that matters. It is also something somewhat compatible with the initial claim of the IBA (having XY chromosomes), but of course nothing is certain at the moment.
They were reporting on the IBAs claim that she had XY chromosomes, which, as stated, has absolutely no credibility. They won’t reveal what test they did or how they arrived at those results. When all evidence suggests they made shit up to disqualify her it’s both disingenuous and cruel to give the claims any credence whatsoever.
No they were not (the articles), they were explicitly citing the IBA precedent as unreliable and instead providing possible alternatives, with the caveat that they are not confirmed. It was just the most "quoted" possibility at the time.
See for yourself was I was referring to (you can translate)
https://www.ilpost.it/2024/08/01/olimpiadi-boxe-pugile-angela-carini-imane-khelif/
Did you even read the full article you provided? It literally says that the only source of the claim is the president of the IBA. It points out that having XY chromosomes could mean intersex and not necessarily trans, but it explicitly says there have been no other claims to support this whatsoever.
How is it different from what I said?
In my very first comment I said exactly what's written in the article. At the moment the opinion everyone is assuming (this was 1st of August) is that she is in the intersex spectrum. I said "at most" because it's not even certain.
Not sure why you think you need to argue when I simply reported what mainstream news was reporting and I am not even contesting what you are saying lol.
None of it matters to the right. She’s not allowed to be a woman anymore.
Ehhhhhhh. 😒
For the 'but sport has to be fair' people, stop. Sport will never be fair, there are always people with better genetics, and with better access to training and equipment and the time to devote to developing their potential, bla bla bla.
The people trying to lawyer about who is or isn't a woman here aren't here to make sport fair, they're using the fact you'd like sport to be fair as a way to get you to support their demand to be able to reduce sport into a thing they can pick winners with by disqualifying people on arbitrary standards they get to invent.
I mean, the people that have been insisting 'you're a woman if you were born with those parts' are now insisting 'you're not a woman if I feel like you're not a woman'. Your takeaway here is that the pretexts will continue to change in order to get or keep your support, the underlying thrust is they want to discriminate against people that don't fit in to their ideas of what being a woman should mean.
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