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Reply-All Email Mistake Leads to Teacher's Dismissal at Marist College Ashgrove (ashgrovetoday.com.au)
submitted 1 year ago by Zagorath@aussie.zone to c/brisbane@aussie.zone
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[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 9 points 1 year ago

If the article is accurate, it seems like a slam dunk case to me. He didn't say anything especially bad by any reasonable metric, and he was attempting to exercise his rights to make a complaint about the workplace conditions.

But among the remedies sought are re-employment. Unless the management responsible for the decision were themselves fired, I can't imagine wanting that in the circumstances. That said, while it's not within the court's power, the arse being fired for his abuse of power would not at all be an unwarranted result here.

[–] TerrorBite@meow.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@Zagorath I love me some spicy small-town drama.

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Not too spicy though: small town east of Perth and a coworker disagreement turn into a shooting murder/suicide this week. Both locals; came out of nowhere. Town is reeling.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I thought we were a little low on this kind of content in here!

[–] TerrorBite@meow.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Zagorath i had to check where "in here" is, because I'm following you on Mastodon and all your posts just look like toots with a URL to me

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Oh right! I was assuming you were on Kbin, which also tends to result in replies starting with "@username", but which tends to play a little more nicely with Lemmy. Mastodon doesn't integrate very well with Lemmy at all. I'm surprised you can even follow a user like that tbh.

[–] coaxil@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Hahah ouch!

[–] Nonameuser678@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is my worst nightmare. Poor guy

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In some email clients (including, I believe, at least one of the half-dozen or so different things called "Microsoft Outlook") reply all is the default way to reply, and you have to go out of your way to deliberately reply only to the sender.

This behaviour is, in my opinion, absolutely unconscionable. It’s just a horrendous anti-pattern that benefits nobody.

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I wouldn't say reply all being the default benefits nobody. I've been is way too many email chains with 10+ people on copy where everyone needs to be notified and someone replies to just 1 at some point, then people don't get correctly notified and works gets harder. This happened weekly in the email chains I was at, which is I believe a much more recurring issue than someone replying to all when they shouldn't

If reply all were the default that would not happen. Also, usually in an email chain the people that are on copyare there becasue they should be kept up to date with whatever it's being discussed. If you want to say something private, maybe don't reply into a big chain, write a new post or single reply manually.

Not saying that the reverse doesn't have benefits either, I'm just showing you that yeah, reply all being the default DOES have benefits and that it is not a horrendous anti-pattern".

Edit: Damn, the message was "We have amazing IT staff, but recently the big end of town needs to stop feeding at the pool tuck shop and live up to their $250,000 job". I would triple check before sending this. In fact I wouldn't send this, this sound way too risky to send over email, I'd use a new email or Teams.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’ve been is way too many email chains with 10+ people on copy where everyone needs to be notified and someone replies to just 1 at some point, then people don’t get correctly notified and works gets harder

I would strongly suggest that if you're trying to organise something in that way, email is a woefully incorrect tool to be using for it. Use a group chat like Slack or Teams.

The fact that there are some cases where reply all is appropriate absolutely does not excuse it being the default.

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would strongly suggest that if you’re trying to organise something in that way

Tell that to consultant jobs where consultant teams and client teams communicate all over email. I agree with you but this is the reality we live in.

Also,

The fact that there are some cases where reply all is appropriate absolutely does not excuse it being the default.

I don't really see the benefit of having reply single as the default. It avoids fuckups like this one, but as stated, I would never say something like this over email.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It would also stop the far-too-common experience of someone replying all when they meant to only send it to one person, annoying and causing distraction to the possibly hundreds of other people included on the original email.

[–] dumsum@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
  • on a reply all email storm
  • "Please stop replying all"
  • clicks Reply All
[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

far-too-common

Is it? In a year working in a consultant this happened only once in an internal company email, while chains being lost happened weekly.

I still wish reply all was the default in Outlook, it would make my life so much easier.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Is it?

It's literally happened to me multiple times this week.

I've never had the scenario you describe happen. Literally never failed to receive an email because someone didn't reply all when they wanted to.