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In first interview as VP candidate, JD Vance explains why he called Trump 'America's Hitler' (www.usatoday.com)

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[–] solidgrue@lemmy.world 106 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

"I don't hide from that. I was certainly skeptical of Donald Trump in 2016, but President Trump was a great president and he changed my mind. I think he changed the minds of a lot of Americans," Vance told Fox's Sean Hannity in a friendly interview

Translation: I was against him before I was for him, now that I'll be the number 2!

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 45 points 4 months ago

“I was against him before I decided to run for office and realized I had to be MAGA to win”

FTFY

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

"I didn't realize the Christofascists forming our voting base were all dimwits who are so racist they would follow a lifelong con man promising to build a wall against immigration. Now I do."

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 months ago

alternate interpretation: he kissed ass and liked the taste.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Better to be Himmler than a political prisoner.

[–] Rev3rze@feddit.nl 6 points 4 months ago

Right up until the house of cards topples over, the country is in shambles and people start seeking justice, of course.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 4 months ago

For cowards.

[–] Today@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And as soon as someone takes him out I'll be number one

[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Right "someone".... hamberdgers

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 48 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I thought that would be considered a compliment in MAGA circles.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

Not out loud. Sometimes (but increasingly frequent) the quiet part slips out, but they're still kinda-I-guess maintaining an ostensible veneer of constructive and pro-American values.

So you'll see the evil shit that makes them cheer, followed immediately by "he didn't mean it like that" "he was just joking" "buttery males!" "Sure a few trans people might get the shit beat out of them / killed, but it's for the greater good of keeping our bathrooms secure!"

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

It isn't?

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 43 points 4 months ago

"I thought America's Hitler was a bad thing, until I became America's Goebbels!"

[–] evidences@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago (1 children)

God I hate this child. Policies aside I fucking hate politicians that lie about their backgrounds for clout. Like all I hear about his book is how it describes growing up poor in a small rural town. The place he lived in as a child has a population around 50k now and, best I can find, also did when he was born. It's like half way between Dayton and Cincinnati in their suburban area so it's not even rural.

And Bernie Moreno who's running for the other Senate seat in Ohio this year is trying to pull the same shit. This dudes parents emigrated to Florida but his dad was a doctor and his mother ended up buying a 4 bedroom house using money from her parents shortly after they moved to the US. Like bro you didn't grow up poor.

[–] ReynT1me@lemmy.one 9 points 4 months ago

Yeah I grew up around that region and you're absolutely right it's halfway between suburban and rural. Everyone I know from the area that's read the book says he comes across as a middle class person cosplaying as Appalachian poor.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 25 points 4 months ago

Answer: He didn't mean it as an insult.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 months ago

He's a hypocrite and loser he'll fit right in the ticket

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 4 months ago

He changed his mind after dollar signs and power showed up

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Out of frank admiration?

[+] Blankzy@reddthat.com -84 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No different than when Kamala called Biden a racist

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 55 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The difference is that Kamala never called Biden a racist.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, she just said "I'm not calling you a racist, but" and then proceeded to describe past racist statements of his that had a negative effect on her as a young girl of color! Totally different! 🙄

Disclaimer: no, that doesn't make Blankzy's whataboutism a valid counterargument to the fact that Vance is a spineless opportunist and a fascist or at the very least an enabler of fascism.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

she just said "I'm not calling you a racist, but"

She didn't say that, either.

What she actually said was “I do not believe you are a racist, and I agree with you when you commit yourself to the importance of finding common ground.”

[+] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world -7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

And then came the "but" to show she just said the first part to avoid being attacked by the press and his supporters.

Besides, "finding common ground" with racists on race issues is just less overt racism.

Unlike his "racial jungle" comment, which was completely overt racism.

[–] ResoluteCatnap@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't pass any fact check i found.

Methodology: literally searched "biden Harris racist factcheck" and linked the top results. Come on.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Source: made it up.

[+] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world -8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Nope. Just following the logic of "everything before the 'but' is usually disingenuous" to apply to an otherwise self-contradictory statement from a notoriously disingenuous politician 🤷

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Just following the logic of "If Kamala doesn't confirm my bias, she must be lying."

And her statement is not "self-contradictory". She thinks Biden said hurtful things in the past but she doesn't think he is racist.

Frankly that could apply to a lot of white people. So if you don't understand how she can truthfully say those things, that's on you.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

She thinks Biden said ~~hurtful~ racist things in the past but she doesn't think he is racist.

Which would mean she was being disingenuous or wrong.

It doesn't get much more racist than protesting desegregation bussing because "I don't want my kids to grow up in a racial jungle".

That's almost Trumpian levels of turning the dog whistle into a bullhorn.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

She thinks Biden said ~~hurtful~ racist things in the past but she doesn't think he is racist.

Bruh, my post is right above yours. Everyone can see you intentionally misquoted me. And intentionally misquoted Kamala.

"I don't want my kids to grow up in a racial jungle".

Why do you keep making up quotes? Is it because you think your version sounds worse than the actual quote or is it because you haven't bothered to find the actual quote?

It doesn't get much more racist

You might think so, but this is not about whether you think he's racist. The question is what Kamala thinks, and she already said she doesn't agree with you.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

"I don't want my kids to grow up in a racial jungle".

Why do you keep making up quotes

I'm not. I misremembered the exact wording, but here's his statement against desegregation bussing in full:

Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle with tensions having built so high that it is going to explode at some point. We have got to make some move on this.

Under the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964, the federal Department of Health, Education and Welfare had a powerful tool to fight school segregation: It could withhold funding from districts that refused to integrate — and integration effectively meant busing. Mr. Helms wanted to strip the agency of that power.

As Mr. Biden rose on the Senate floor in September 1975 to embrace that approach, Mr. Helms wryly welcomed him "to the ranks of the enlightened." Mr. Biden objected to the education department mandating desegregation absent a court order, and warned of white flight to the suburbs and even racial unrest. ... Mr. Helms's amendment, which would have also barred the education department from collecting data about the race of students or teachers, failed. But a slightly narrower measure written by Mr. Biden, which prevented schools from using federal dollars to assign teachers or students by race, passed, 50-43.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Did you also misremember my post? I didn't say Kamala thinks Biden said racist things, and she didn't say that either.

Anyway, you might think that statement makes Biden a racist, and that's your prerogative. But Kamala does not have to agree with you.

Maybe she thinks it was a hurtful thing to say but that's not enough to make Biden a racist. Maybe she thinks it doesn't reflect who Biden is today. There are countless other possible explanations for her position, and ultimately she doesn't need you to tell her what she thinks.

[–] Lightor@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Misremembering something where wording is important, then presenting it as fact is very close to lying.

[–] Lightor@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Not at all.

We need to go to the store, but let's hurry so we can get back home.

She is very talented, but she is also very modest.

The weather was cold, but the scenery was beautiful.

The movie was long, but it kept my attention throughout.

I mean I could go on and on. If this is the one thing your holding into turn you've got nothing.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

she just said the first part

That's certainly one interpretation, especially if you want to put words into people's mouths to fit your narrative.

Here's another interpretation: when Kamala said that she doesn't believe Biden is racist, it meant that she doesn't believe Biden is racist.