politics

If you're getting angry at Bernie and AOC, you're probably on the wrong side of an issue

Common DSA L.

Fucking idiots. Pulling your endorsement of one of the top fucking 5% of most Pro-Palestinian Congresscritters for being INSUFFICIENTLY pro-Palestine.

left wing is so busy ripping itself apart while right has fully consolidated, good luck winning elections. This is practically handing POTUS45 his POTUS47 title. US left wing always picks wrong timing to settle internal scores which is why it's always flatfooted and toothless.

Can I just say FUCK The Democratic Socialists of America, those scumbags can eat a bag of dicks.

Just look at their stances, views, and activities:

• They blame the US for the Russian invasion of Ukraine
• They want the US to pressure Ukraine to surrender to Russia under the guise "negotiations"
• They want the US to leave NATO
• They support the Venezuelan dictator, Maduro, so much that they literally sent a fucking delegation there to meet him
• They organized a tone deaf pro-Palestinian rally on Oct 8th right after the attacks when the world was still in shock
• They outright want the destruction of Israel. Not a two state solution, not coexistence, but the eradication of Israel
• They quite literally want open borders
• The organization is full of full blown vile Marxists who to "abolish capitalism" and establish socialism
• They condemn social democracy
• In 2016 they refused to endorse Hillary and spearheaded the movements that called for people to boycott voting Democrat, which led to Trump winning
• In 2020 they refused to endorse Biden and spearheaded the movements that called for people to boycott voting Democrat, which helped Trump make the election closer than it should've been
• In 2024 they're doing the same exact thing by refusing to endorse Biden again

They have ALWAYS simped for all the dictators and authoritarian regimes. They have always had the most brain dead stances on foreign policy issues. They subscribe to a colossal failure of an ideology, and their interests are not with the US succeeding. They are nothing more than assets of our foreign adversaries.

The organization and movement at large is nothing more than the far left and the most whacko of Bernie Supporters that even he is uncomfortable with. I'm glad AOC went from being a fringe extremist politician to becoming more pragmatic and moderate. She has been winning me over more and more lately, and this just proves that she's moving in the right direction. Once again, the DSA can get fucked.

AOC's national endorsement was (and still is) preventing DSA from working on solidarity with Palestinian liberation organizations across the country. I get that to a lot of people, AOC is the ideal reformist Democrat, but that's really just a condemnation of how bad even the 'good' Democrats are.

From DSA's statement on the issue:

"However, members have raised their concerns regarding a number of her votes, including a vote in favor of H.Res.888, conflating opposition to Israel’s “right to exist” with antisemitism. AOC also co-signed a press release on April 20, 2024, that “support[s] strengthening the Iron Dome and other defense systems”

Finally, AOC recently hosted a public panel with leaders from the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, lobbyists for the IHRA definition of antisemitism. On this panel, anti-Zionism and antisemitism were conflated and boycotting Zionist institutions was condemned. This sponsorship is a deep betrayal to all those who’ve risked their welfare to fight Israeli apartheid and genocide through political and direct action in recent months, and in decades past."

Of course that behavior got her unendorsed. It's fine if you, random Lemmy users, like her, but I'm glad that explicit workers-owning-the-means-of-production socialists are holding their endorsed electeds accountable. That shit shouldn't fly.

I suspect she's going to get reelected in spite of losing their endorsement

I don't understand the DSA's purpose if it is just to funnel people into the Dem party. Their views will never line up with the corporate party.

This is a good example of why I left DSA. They are averse to pragmatism. They see the world in purely theoretical terms. They form their policies according to some hypothetical ideal, instead of reality.

Letting good be the enemy of great.

Yeah bruh, I’m a pragmatist. Israel sucks, but even more Palestinians will die unless we keep trump and the republican traitor filth out of office.

Oh no the literal tankies are against her what will she do? These people are not Democratic socialists, they're not even leftists. These people suck the dick of totalitarianism.

Maybe take the time to read the DSA statement on this endorsement before reading this comment chain and forming opinions.

In the last several months, thousands of DSA members provided input about the prospect of a national endorsement through town halls, meetings, and engaging in their chapters’ discussions, and AOC was invited to speak at a member forum. Many members have supported national endorsement while at the same time demanding that AOC demonstrate a higher level of commitment to Palestinian liberation, self-determination, and the immediate end to the heinous genocide in Gaza committed by Israel that aligns with DSA’s positions and expectations of socialists in office.

Good. No compromise on genocide. Never again means never again.

This gives me some hope for the DSA.

And don’t come at me with “pragmatism”. The pragmatists supported the Nazis.