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How Hamas Is Fighting in Gaza (www.nytimes.com)

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An analysis of battlefield videos released by Hamas and interviews with three Hamas members and scores of Israeli soldiers

Using civilian homes and infrastructure — including medical facilities, U.N. offices and mosques — to conceal fighters, tunnel entrances, booby-traps and ammunition stores;
Ambushing Israeli soldiers with small groups of fighters dressed as civilians, as well as using civilians, including children, to act as lookouts;

The video seems to show Hamas fighters, their faces blurred, sitting on patterned mats as they plan the attack. They use pen, paper and a digital tablet to draw simplistic maps detailing where they want to plant a set of roadside mines.
“We ask, O Lord, for the ambush to achieve its goals — let us kill your enemies, the Jews,” the narrator says.

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[–] Naich@lemmings.world 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I guess they have articles like this ready for release each time the IDF commits another atrocity.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Hasbara

[–] JohnSwanFromTheLough@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

So guerilla warfare, that's the only option when facing a vastly superior force.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au -1 points 2 months ago

Fuck Israel, the terrorist genocide state.

[+] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world -6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The last 9 months have made it very clear that Hamas is a national liberation movement and Israel is a savage coloniser. As a result Zionist propaganda has gone into overdrive.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Just because Israel is committing horrific crimes in Gaza doesn't mean that Hamas is good. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is the a big part of the reason why the US is allied with Israel in the first place.

Hamas was bad for the people Gaza, which is exactly why Netanyahu enabled and supported them in the first place.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolstered-hamas/

Obviously, Israel is far worse for the people of both Gaza and the West Bank, but Israel's genocide and their apartheid does not make Hamas good and their idea of Palestinian liberation is a theocratic form of "liberation" that should not be supported.

[+] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Hamas is objectively the best out of all these parties. By a long shot. Hamas has tried a peaceful march in 2018. Israel is the party that only wants to speak violence.

Condemn resistance fighters against Genocide all you want, it's just posturing.

Also I winder why why Palestinians don't want to form a liberal democracy while being Genocided by a liberal democracy with full support of all other liberal democracies.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The best out of a bunch of bad things isn't a good thing.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So what's a good thing? Us fully supporting them being Genocided with weapons?

Moral highgrounding against resistance groups is really easy when we're the ones responsible for their Genocide

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Nice whataboutism, but no, aiding a genocide is also not a good thing.

Believe it or not, there doesn't need to be a good side and a bad side to everything.

Israel is bad. Hamas is bad. The U.S. is bad. All of these things can be true without any contradictions.

You can call them freedom fighters or whatever you like. They are still theocrats who want a theocracy that will oppress the Palestinian people.

[+] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hamas has already agreed to hold elections after the Genocide is over.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why on Earth would you believe a bunch of theocrats? They didn't hold an election for decades. Most Palestinians in Gaza weren't even old enough to vote, if they were even alive, when Hamas last held an election. And no, that's not Israel's fault. Israel, despite all of the horrible things they were doing in Gaza, never did anything to prevent Hamas from holding an election. They didn't because they don't want democracy, they want a theocracy. Just read their charter.

Again, fighting Israel doesn't make you good. It just makes you a group fighting a bad thing. Similarly, the Azov Brigade is fighting for Ukrainian freedom from Russia, but they're still a bunch of Nazis, and I am sure that the Jewish president of Ukraine is not happy about having to work with them. He's doing it anyway because they're necessary to fight Russia. They aren't suddenly good just because they are helping Ukraine fight for their freedom.

Iran might go into a fight with Israel. Are you going to start praising Iran if that happens?

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Hamas has put their promise to hold elections on paper when a Palestinian state is established as part of the ceasefire deal.

Hamas likely won't be a great government party. Resistance groups never really make great peacetime leaders. Just like with the ANC. However they are needed to get to the start of an independent country. The PA sure isn't making the Palestinians safer.

Iran would be much more normalized too if we didn't keep overthrowing their government every few decades. And israel stops assassinating their leaders.

If we stop meddling eventually a population ejects the wartime party and normalizes as we see with South Africa right now. And that also takes decades but it has to start somewhere. But putting the cart before the horse is not how this works.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I'm sorry, you're praising them for something they haven't even done and saying that's why they're good. That's ludicrous. Promises on paper are worth as much as that paper they're printed on. Ask any indigenous American.

And normalized South Africa? What the fuck are you talking about? https://apnews.com/article/south-africa-election-anc-decline-cf154312e3dc5c1b5ee615b82ba0c080

[+] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Recent elections saw the ANC losing ground and other parties now gaining traction. If the Apartheid was still in place we would never reach this stage. That is my point.

As I said it takes time to rebuild a country from oppression. Cooperation is difficult when the modus operandi was every man for himself for so many years.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Elections are all you think matter? Read the article. Africa is one of the most unequal countries on the planet.

But sure, the ANC is losing ground. Other than that, it's just fine and black people have no problems anymore.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes I am aware the ANC heavily sold out to the Apartheid after winning. Their members took cushy jobs.

My point is that the ANC is currently starting to lose ground and other parties are rising up.

Liberation starts with Hamas but it is not necessarily the party that will define Palestine forever. Hamas always loses popularity in peace time.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Yes I am aware the ANC heavily sold out to the Apartheid after winning. Their members took cushy jobs.

My point is that the ANC is currently starting to lose ground and other parties are rising up.

Which means that, as you said, South Africa is "normalized?" And that's the sort of normalized you foresee for Palestine?

Liberation starts with Hamas but it is not necessarily the party that will define Palestine forever. Hamas always loses popularity in peace time.

Yes, because Palestinians also know that Hamas is not good, just helpful at the moment. You even seem to be admitting it tacitly by saying that, so I'm not even sure what your point is anymore.

[–] eskimofry@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Thats not entirely true. Hamas is a theocratic terrorist organization that kills civilians. They don't care about the people of Gaza.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I always see Hamas killing civilian, but when you force people to serve in the military, gave them easy access to weapon, that line becomes very hard.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Israel is a theocratic terrorist organisation that mass murders civilians. They don't care about the people of Gaza.

[–] eskimofry@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah that's true as well but Hamas is not some group of freedom fighters that respect civilian lives.