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When people are way too smug about their wrong answer.

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[–] NotGeorge@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's Noah way God would do something like that.

[–] starlinguk@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't understand why people say "I trust God". He had his own son nailed to a cross, FFS.

People in the middle ages got it right. "I do what God tells me because he scares the crap out of me."

[–] SJ0@lemmy.fbxl.net 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I've been reading through the old stories for the first time in my life, and in my view, you can only read them through the lens of a series of allegorical lessons intended to warn about consequences that do take place in the real world, and those consequences can be beyond lethal.

History will wipe your entire bloodline out if you make bad enough mistakes. Ask the Hitlers.

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[–] Lemmylefty@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No way? Yahweh.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That's the beauty of Christianity.

The Bible is so full of contradictions that you can get it to fit any worldview you want.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Only if simultaneously being willfully obtuse and ignorant.

For example, in Mark, Matthew, and Luke, Jesus forbids those going out to minister from brining a purse or money.

This necessarily prevents monetary collections.

So why is the church okay with taking your money today?

In part, rationalized by Paul's arguments in 1 Cor 9 against the earlier Christian community there that don't think it's appropriate to profiteer off ministering.

But then even more, at the last supper in Luke, Jesus explicitly says "Hey guys, remember when I said not to carry purses? Let's reverse that and now definitely carry purses."

Except this addition to the last super in Luke-Acts is missing in Marcion's version of that gospel, which is probably preserving the earliest extant version of it.

So while yes, you could in theory fit Jesus in the NT to agree with Paul that churches and those ministering have a right to profit from it and should definitely collect money from people (like they do in Acts 5 where an older couple who holds back money are both struck dead before Peter) - an even halfway critical eye should see that the historical Jesus was far more likely to have been against such practices given the widespread accounts of his ban, the earlier attitudes in Corinth, its embarrassing nature to be added in after already collecting money, and the late nature of the reversal.

And to see that much like biological evolution, ideas evolve over time too, and the version of Christianity we have today isn't necessarily the one closest to the original form, but simply the form that was most adaptive through the fall of the Jerusalem temple, the endorsement of Rome, etc.

So yes, few people might know or see it this way, but that is largely because they don't bother looking into their preconceptions and would rather believe a superficial picture that agrees with what they think they know (and I'm not only talking about Christians here either).

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah a lot of people miss things like context, knowledge of the time period, and a proper understanding of theology when they talk shit about the Bible. I'm not Christian myself, but a close friend of mine is Catholic, and after hearing his clarifications on supposed Biblical Plotholes and how much more complicated the subject is... Well it definitely made me start squinting at oversimplifications concerning theology with a little more scrutiny.

[–] alex_02@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also there have been many problems with text being lost in translation or altered like several letters by Paul were merged at some point by a scribe and it was copied over as is.

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[–] Tyfud@lemmy.one 10 points 1 year ago

Except the one that actually makes the world a better place.

[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Tattoos are a sin."

"Dad, you have a tattoo."

"Yeah, but Jesus forgave me."

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I kind of want a "Leviticus 19:28" tattoo, but a bunch of idiot Christians will think I'm one of them.

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[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

When you think about it, how else could a religion survive for two thousand years?

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[–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

The ten plagues of Egypt:

[–] halvar@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, He over that phase now, was kind of childish to begin with. Now it's "why make a deadly plague, if the chinese are going to do it anyway?"

[–] III@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

God works in mysterious ways.

[–] VubDapple@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not only hasn't read the bible. Also hasn't seen The Ten Commandments which definitely shows god creating a deadly plague. Charlton Heston would like a word.

[–] lamentforicarus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or Prince of Egypt which has one of the best soundtracks and great animation. I'm not a Christian but even I know about the damn plague that got those little Egyptian kids.

[–] neoman4426@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hell, not only does YHWH kill many innocent children, a big part of the story is how he literally brainwashes the pharaoh to have an excuse to do so. YHWH explicitly "hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him"

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

TFW god could've just softened his heart and avoided the whole thing altogether.

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[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was raised Christian, and i was considered a superstar in Sunday school because I knew the Bible stories better than most of the ‘teachers’

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It's honestly a good book to be fairly well versed in. You can cut through so much right wing bullshit with that knowledge. And it's fun to call them out on it.

Wait til she hears about cancer

[–] Lemmylefty@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or seen The Prince of Egypt. “The Plagues” is one of the best tracks on a hell of a soundtrack.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago

Oh come on, he only killed a couple of million.

I mean, it's more than I've managed, but he's no Stalin.

[–] Saneless@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If God and Satan each held out a hand and said "come with me, I'll keep you safe and totally won't kill you"

I'm going with Satan. Way better odds

[–] Oderus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll always think of Jim Jefferies on this topic.

The bible, that’s god book, as far as I know the devil hasn’t brought out a book yet, haven’t heard his side of the argument. God’s just writing shit about him, and the devil’s being the bigger man and saying I’m not even going to comment, talking shit about me like that.

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[–] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (11 children)

If god created humans, then anything that humans do is technically god's fault... isn't it?

[–] BlackPenguins@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Nah, that's Section 230 where the creator isn't responsible for what its users do.

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[–] Thetomman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

She must have passed over that verse

[–] Cybermass@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well that's because she is Lilith

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[–] Sarcastik@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

This coming from the politician having orgies and cheating on her husband with her CrossFit gym owner.

I could give a shit, but the hypocrisy is real.

Exodus 20:17

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

[–] psud@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

People complain about people saying "I could care less" when they mean "I couldn't care less" (I care so little that I cannot care less)

I don't care about it, since it's clear what they mean.

You're the first where I'm not sure whether you mean what you say and are playing on the common phrase "couldn't give a shit" or whether you are messing up that phrase in exactly the same way as the 'care less' one

Like are you saying you would have time for them if it weren't for their hypocrisy, or that you have no time for them except to point at the hypocrisy?

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

having orgies

I'm charging you for the mental bleach I now need.

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[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

MTG a cheater? No way, I always thought she was a woman of faith. SMH ... /s

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