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Here's your weekly PCM on the latest Lemmyverse drama (lemmy.basedcount.com)
submitted 1 year ago by Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com to c/pcm@lemmy.basedcount.com
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Context

As you probably now, Hexbear is a fairly large leftist instance, whose users are notorious for being very loud in the communities of every instance they federate with. For a long time they blocked all instances, preferring to remain isolated. Recently, however, they have started allowing some large instances into their allow list.

Yesterday they expanded said list by including the popular sh.itjust.works (SJW) instance.

Some Hexbear users immediately jumped on the train by creating posts in !main@sh.itjust.works making sure everyone was aware of their presence and calling out what they thought was bigotry on SJW's side:

  • Example 1
  • Example 2, the post included in the meme, now removed

Currently, there's people on both sides calling for mutual defederation, as one Hexbear sees the other party as "bigoted" and "politically illiterate infants" while many people on SJW are just tired of the political spam.

Where do we stand in this mess? Comfortably on the sidelines, enjoying the popcorn while it lasts.

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[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

As someone who leans left and generally supports socialism, Hexbear is hot fucking garbage. Lemmygrad is only slightly better.

They're slowly killing the fediverse as reasonable people see their authoritarian propaganda and leave.

[–] Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't think the problem with Hexbear is political. Some of their points are questionable, but that's of course up for debate.

What tends to annoy me about their users is how obnoxious they can be. Between the flooding of comments and replies, the weird emojis and the numerous attempts at provocating people from outside of their little cicle (which happens both in their domestic communities as well as the federated ones), it all makes you wonder if they even care about the health of the fediverse

[–] __yoshikage_kira@lemmy.basedcount.com 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Nah. They rather live in echo chamber than create a healthy community. Same thing happened on Reddit. The history repeats itself.

[–] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 1 points 11 months ago

The SJW admin thinks that their comment floods are a product of downvotes being disabled on their instance.

I'll enable downvoting on mine as long as it doesn't lead to the Reddit situation where users are penalized site-wide for getting too many downvotes.

[–] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm sure fucking tired of it, it's definitely making my experience here not as worthwhile

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

I can deal with it by blocking communities and instances. But it's not worth it to most people. I'll never recommend the fediverse to anyone in it's current extremist state.

[–] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The good thing about the fediverse is that anyone can start their own instance and defederate from instances that are known to have problems with troublemakers and won't do anything about it.

It's infinitely better that Lemmy is going left rather then right because if it went right, the media would pick it up and then start casting FUD on the entire platform as being a cesspit of white supremacist groupthink and radicalization.

I imagine the Lemmy developers probably run join-lemmy.org and could start removing sites from there, but currently a lot of the general instances are listed there and they seem pretty sane. The only thing I find concerning is when someone claims that Joe Rogan is equivalent to Qanon.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

I've seen people say another Lemmy user will "get the wall" two unrelated times. I've had comments correcting disinformation deleted with no explanation on lemmy.ml

On another account Lemmygrad users followed me around and downvoted every post I made. I ended up with -3,000 karma on that account.

[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All hexbear people need to be banned.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Many of them strike me as CCP propaganda peddlers. These types should be banned. If there are others that legitimately have opinions, I'd say leave them and let them be corrected by the larger community.

That said... If they abuse accounts and voting to pump their opinions (it feels like this may be happening), then ban them.

Tl;dr: Ban all shilling, astroturfing, and organized propaganda peddling.

[–] Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That sounds a bit extreme.

[–] NightLily@lemmy.basedcount.com 2 points 1 year ago

If they are denying genocides that may in fact be something necessary for the health of the community via defederating them.

[–] RobotToaster@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hexbear is where r/ChapoTrapHouse went after they got banned from reddit for being too cringe even for reddit.

[–] gk99@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hexbear kinda just seem like trolls? Like no normal person seriously thinks making fun of a single dictator is equivalent to racism, it reads more like they're genocide apologists who don't want China's government questioned.

[–] natebluehooves@pawb.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This tracks with what I found when looking into defederation. Calling them leftists is kinda falling for their deception.

They are authoritarians and use the cloak of leftism to defend authoritarian governments. They do not argue honestly and they brigade, coordinating on hexbear in plain sight. I defederated my two instances a while back for these reasons.

[–] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 1 points 11 months ago

If they're going to do nothing but troll and be toxic, then unfortunately it's necessary. I also feel strongly that excessively defederating or banning visitors from the entire instance harms the fediverse. Instance bans and defederation should be used when instances have shown that they can't be relied on to communicate meaningfully outside their instance.

[–] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 1 points 11 months ago

That's what I was thinking, though you can't rely on assumptions like that. It feels like they're intentionally making stuff up for leverage.

[–] catfish@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago

these fucken losers daydream about being relevant even in the most pathetic ways, lmao what utter muppets, noone gives a shit, just block their shitty instances.

[–] sheepishly@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

How do I flair up on the Fediverse?

[–] Floey@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

Based on what I've seen hexbears would not use slurs like bitch and retard.

[–] serial_crusher@lemmy.basedcount.com -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I guess hexbear was a better place to look for a legitimate successor to r/stupidpol

[–] Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com -1 points 1 year ago

Yeah. But then you would have had to interact with those kind of human beings. I say you made a decent deal, overall.

[–] azurefirefly@lemmy.basedcount.com -2 points 1 year ago

I hate commies and libtards. I'm not a rightie either I just hate loud hive minds