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[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 65 points 4 months ago (15 children)

Idk. America is still pretty racist and even more sexist.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Sexist enough that a woman who no one likes won the popular vote in 2016. ....

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Popular vote dont get you shit here.

She lost the race in swing states where "independents" choose the winner. If she had been "John Clinton," with every single bit of the politcal baggage and none of the sexist baggage, I guarantee she would have cleared that 80k vote hurdle in those 3 states.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

She lost swing states because she decided she didn't need to campaign there.

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[–] ProvableGecko@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Joe would have won that election, let alone Bernie. It would have been a different world today

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I remember the conservatives I worked with hated H. Clinton for "wanting to take our guns away." I told her (it was a white 20 year old girl I was talking to specifically in this group) that whole idea is untrue.

Clinton didn't lose because of her horrible treatment of Africans, her philosophy that abortion should be a states' right issue, because she is a woman, etc. She lost because the "Dems want our guns" propaganda. Conservatives are a simple breed.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 42 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Whatever we're doing, we need to do it fast and commit to it.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 4 months ago (9 children)

RN, Biden is still the best odds at beating Trump by the sheer fact that he's the incumbent. Why do you think all of the rightmost Dems and the Russian shills are hopping aboard the replacement train? Because they want Trump to win.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Yeah, unfortunately, there's a calculus here that isn't entirely clear. The right-wing, the accelerationists, and the Russian shills are all on board with this because they THINK it's a losing proposition for the Democrats. However, whether it is ACTUALLY a losing proposition is... uncertain.

We live in a fucked-up political era. I think a replacement could go either way. I'm not thrilled about the idea, but we're rolling the dice either way, so I'm not going to let either outcome change my disposition much. What I know is that I'm voting against fascism this November, and anyone who expresses doubts as to whether THEY'RE voting against fascism are, at best, useful idiots for fascism, and at worst, fascists who are too cowardly to admit it.

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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 40 points 4 months ago (17 children)

Oh please no. Not more establishment bullshit.

Find somebody young and energetic to bring some fresh ideas and new energy. A young Bernie Sanders type. They will mop the floor with Trump.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We're getting establishment bullshit no matter what. May as well have establishment bullshit that can beat Trump.

[–] hypnoton@discuss.online 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

But just passively accepting the establishment bullshit while not even voicing displeasure is a recipe for more and more severe establishment bullshit.

If the billionaire fucks are shoving turds into our throats while calling those smelly turds "brownies," at least they need to hear us moan. We don't gotta dignify this bullshit with polite smiles all around.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (8 children)

But just passively accepting the establishment bullshit while not even voicing displeasure

Check my comment history and tell me if that seems like an apt description of my behavior.

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

Kamala Harris cannot win. I hate Trump, but Kamala Harris won’t win against Trump and shouldn’t even be Biden’s VP pick in the first place.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

CNN would love for her to run cause they know that she can't win.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

She'll never win President of Lemmy, that's for sure.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

sigh

. . . Ok.

If Whitmer’s all-in and everyone super swears she can be a charming candidate for two months, fine. I want it noted my preference is Whitmer/AOC but I appreciate the optics.

Goddammit. If it gets us a reprieve from diseased lunatics for four years, fine.

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[–] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

CNN is a fucking joke. They literally want the Dems to crash and burn, so take any of their "advice and opinion" with a few metric tons of salt.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I think Gavin Newsom would do better than Kamala.

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[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sorry rest of the country, but we’d like to keep Big Gretch to ourselves. K Thx

[–] jumjummy@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

So is this the new Russian disinformation strategy? We loved on from Genocide Joe to let’s switch out. Iden?

Not going to happen, and I doubt any other candidate could do better at this point of the election cycle.

I already see our local Russian trolls spouting this bullshit.

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (4 children)

This attitude that any criticism of Biden is from Russian trolls is getting a little tiresome. And childish

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[–] flyingjake@lemmy.one 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Biden should straight up resign and hand over power to Kamala now. That would short circuit the nomination process and completely undercut any argument that she's not up for the job if it's no longer hypothetical and she's actually just rocking it IRL.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

America is sexist as fuck. Just having a woman running for President will cost the Dems more "independents" than Biden ever will.

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[–] Today@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] paf0@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Beto couldn't even beat Ted Cruz.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

He lost to Greg Abbott too.

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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

There's really no reason to jump to him rather than someone already in national politics, but winning a senate seat in Texas is actually harder than winning the presidency.

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[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

Repeat 1968

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'd rather see Whitmer and AOC, personally. Harris is disliked from both sides. I can't see her being an option. She has a 39% approval rating. She's even lower than Biden.

As much as I'd like to see another candidate replace Biden, it's too late in the game and Americans are generally idiots. They'll screw things up this late into the battle and Trump will win.

As much as I hate to admit it, Biden is probably the best path forward ..... Which gives me acid reflux a little bit to say, but the idea of Trump being president makes me want to jump off a bridge, so I'll take a couple antacids and hope for a better choice in 2028.

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