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Nebraska governor Jim Pillen, a Republican not noted as a women's rights supporter, yesterday issued an executive order "defining" males and females and the attributes thereof. The anti-transgender political grandstanding offers fusty explanations of the sexes–men are "bigger, stronger and faster" on average–in pursuit of Rowling-esque calls for sexual segregation (and even echoing her ostensibly feminist rationales) and not a lot else.

The order declares that, in matters of the state, the "biological differences between the sexes are enduring" and that the "sex" of a person will be defined by the gender designated at birth. In addition to specifically noting how boy, girl, man, and woman will be defined, the order also includes biological descriptions. …

"It is common sense that men do not belong in women's only spaces," Pillen said in the news release. "As Governor, it is my duty to protect our kids and women's athletics, which means providing single-sex spaces for women's sports, bathrooms, and changing rooms."

The reaction, at least from Democrats, is to point out that if it were enforced, the likely outcome would be Nebraska losing federal funding for womens' shelters.

"Today Governor Pillen, famous women's rights supporter, signed this offensive and ridiculous proclamation establishing a "Women's Bill of Rights." He should try saying this stuff to my face then we would see who's got what biological advantage," wrote State Senator Megan Hunt on Twitter.


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[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All we need to do is find a woman bigger, faster, and stronger than him, and then he's officially a woman by his own legislation.

[–] jtk@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The internet needs to flood his inbox with challenges from women that would destroy him at arm wrestling.

horny subtext

don't play into the game this is all part of the long con to get strong dommy women to slide into his dms

[–] somedude5@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m not agreeing with this legislation but it does say “bigger, stronger, faster on average”

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's true. But "on average" in circumstances like this is meaningless; "on average," a person is male. But I think we can agree that some women do exist.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's with the Ben Shapiro jokes here? I know who he is and I've read some of his (often comically) idiotic takes on world events, but care to explain it as it relates to this topic?

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

properly answering that would require spending entirely too much time talking about Ben Shapiro, this will have to do

[–] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's a right wing pundit who claims to only care about "facts" and "logic" to make himself seem more intelligent and credible to his base. Of course, none of his views hold up to much scrutiny, showing that he doesn't actually care about facts and logic, meaning that really he's just another bigot.

That would be pathetic enough, except that he's kind of the king of self-burns. Like, shit the CIA couldn't get out of most people. You should look up 'ben shapiro WAP'. It's fucking hilarious that he felt the need to commentate on the song in the first place, but the things he said solidified him as a meme. "Wet ass p-word" is a classic quote, and the fact that he admitted to his wife telling him that being that wet isn't normal is hysterical.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

One of the most amusing things about him is how he routinely “destroys” people with debate superiority and yet he does what he does now because he completely failed as a hollywood nepo baby screenwriter or some shit… so now he just complains all the time about inequality for white men and wokeness like a leaky helium balloon, telling women to stay in their lane and making bad related predictions, like saying the Barbie movie will burn out after a week or so from irrelevance, only to see it top a billion in sales. Dude can’t help punching himself in the nuts on the regular.

[–] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if you can legally change genders with this. If you're a woman who's bigger, stronger, and faster than the average male in Nebraska, then you satisfy this biological condition set forth in law.

[–] door_in_the_face@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago

Transition by combat!

[–] bomberesque1@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Man in political power has such fagile masculinity that he legislate what he can't demonstrate

... did he live in a mojo dojo casa house by chance?

[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Daft Punk could not be reached for comment

I thought you were gonna talk about Grant Kirkhope's magnum opus, the DK Rap. You know, because of the "He's bigger, and faster, and stronger too, he's the first member of the DK Crew! Huh!"

[–] gnuplusmatt@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago

So in Nebraska a two men with a measurable difference in size and strength in a relationship are actually heterosexual?

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apparently, from what I'm reading, this will also potentially cause women's shelters to lose federal funding. They aren't legally allowed to discriminate against trans-women, which means they'll be disqualified for getting funding.

[–] cyberfae@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

For them, this might be considered a feature rather than a bug.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like this is shortsighted. Instead, legislation should be in place to add another category so that there is a space for sex and gender. Not that I would expect such based actions from this dude.

I know males are on average stronger than females, but I have yet to meet a trans girl who I couldn't beat in a physical challenge. I'm under average height, don't work out, and I don't have genes that give me muscular advantage, but in every physical challenge thus far, they came first.

[–] Raise_a_glass@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I know this is probably a joke comment, but you’ve got me intrigued - how many trans girls do you know and how often do you compete if physical challenges? Are they of the Double Dare variety or are they more Olympic in nature? Do you allow them to train an come back for a rematch?

[–] figaro@lemdro.id -1 points 1 year ago

According to chat gpt:

Are there instances of someone being born "female" but their reproductive system is not developed to produce ova?

Yes, there are instances where individuals are born with female external genitalia but do not have fully developed reproductive systems to produce ova. This condition is known as Mayer-Rokitansky-Küster-Hauser (MRKH) syndrome, or simply MRKH. In MRKH syndrome, individuals typically have a vagina and external female genitalia but may lack a functional uterus and, in some cases, may not have fully developed ovaries. As a result, they may not be able to conceive children naturally.

This condition highlights the complexity of human biology and serves as an example of how one's biological sex may not always align with traditional expectations. It reinforces the importance of recognizing that individuals' experiences of their own bodies can vary widely and that gender identity and biological sex are not always perfectly congruent.

Furthermore, there are several other medical conditions and intersex variations that challenge the idea that biology alone can definitively determine one's gender identity. Here are a few examples:

  1. Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia (CAH): CAH is a group of genetic disorders that affect the adrenal glands, leading to variations in hormone production. In some cases, individuals with CAH may have external genitalia that do not align with typical male or female appearance.

  2. Swyer Syndrome: Swyer syndrome is a condition where individuals are born with XY chromosomes but have non-functional testes and develop typically female external genitalia. This condition highlights the importance of chromosomes not being the sole determinant of gender identity.

  3. 5-alpha-reductase deficiency: This condition can result in individuals born with male chromosomes but ambiguous or female external genitalia due to a deficiency in the enzyme responsible for converting testosterone into its active form.

  4. Klinefelter Syndrome: Individuals with Klinefelter syndrome have an extra X chromosome (XXY), which can lead to variations in physical development, including less masculine secondary sexual characteristics.

These conditions, among others, demonstrate that biological sex is not always straightforward and that it doesn't always align with an individual's gender identity. They emphasize the importance of considering multiple factors, including an individual's own understanding of their gender, when discussing matters related to gender and sex.