New Mexico requires you to be licensed to concealed carry doesn't it? Curious what this accomplishes, how many licensed concealed carry holders are aggressors in a crime?
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Quite a few https://concealedcarrykillers.org/mass-shootings-committed-by-concealed-carry-killers/
Whats a license gonna stop?
While interesting info on that link, it is diluted by some of the statistics. Holding a concealed carry permit doesn't make you more liable to commit suicide for example as you could just as easily own that weapon without the CCW.
Overall does feel like a rather small list given the total number of license holders and a lot of the situations don't seem to pertain to concealed carry. Now if the list showed every incident where a CCW holder escalated a situation and unjustifiably shot someone that would be another story.
The license is to protect yourself against (ideally one) armed aggressors or someone with a physical advantage (i.e. someone attempting to assault a woman in a parking lot). That could be someone with a knife, blunt object, firearm. Nobody gets one thinking they're going to stop a mass shooting, the odds would be stacked against you to stop a mass shooter.
oh boi guns are to protect people, we must have the least homicides in the world from all that protection we have.
Cops commit violent crimes at 1/2 the rate of the general public. Concealed carriers commit violent crimes at less than 1/10 the rate of the general public. You are twice as safe in the presence of a cop than a random member of the public, and more than 10 times safer in the presence of a known, licensed concealed carrier than a random member of the public.
The license doesn't "stop" violence, but it is an indication that the individual has never before been involved in violent crime (passed a background check) and has received significantly greater training and instruction on the laws governing use of force than the average member of the public has received. Those two requirements select a cohort significantly less likely to resort to criminality.
Concealed carriers commit violent crimes at less than 1/10 the rate of the general public.
I dont buy it
That's not at all controversial. That is an incredibly conservative claim.
The "general public" includes 19 million convicted felons and far more people convicted of violent misdemeanors. Background checks exclude all of these individuals from licensure.
Throw a dart at the general population, and you have an 8% to 12% chance of hitting a previously convicted violent criminal.
Throw a dart at the licensed carrier population, and your probability is virtually 0%.
Keep in mind that recidivism rates are typically above 80%. One group has about 16 million ticking time bombs, and the other group has none. Your risk of violent attack is vastly lower from concealed carriers than from the general public.
All of those felons were previously not convicted felons. Any of them could have been convicted of felony gun crimes while being licensed carriers.
That sounds reasonable on first inspection, but it doesn't actually hold up to scrutiny.
The problem with that theory is that you have to be 21 (in almost all states) before you are eligible for a license. There are a few states where you can be as young as 18, but not many.
The overwhelming majority of convicted felons had disqualifying criminal records as juveniles. They were ineligible due to their juvenile convictions while still ineligible due to age. They are members of the general population, but they never became eligible to become licensed carriers.
Alright i think the lack of citation's gone on pretty long now.
What's the chances of a licensed car driver committing a crime?
Well in California where I am, you have to be really stupid to not pass the driving test, so it would almost be more on par with open carry, which I'm not really against them banning.
(Disclaimer, I don't know NM laws I'm basing this off of Cali if they just hand out permits for a fee and nothing else then feel free to point that out).
Concealed carry typically requires training, getting fingerprinted, interviewing with the Sheriff, and them ultimately deciding whether or not to approve it. It also requires a renewal every 2 years which is much more than drivers as you have to retake the training to renew.
I do think driving should require you to at least take a basic test every few years though, a lot of people seem to not know how to drive.
The point is a license does not stop crime. I'm not disagreeing licensing should be required for firearms (probably in general, not just CC), but the argument licensing will stop it can be proven false by pointing out other things that require licenses yet are still used for crimes. They may prevent some, but it won't be zero, so is not an argument against the city preventing it.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The National Association for Gun Rights, alongside Albuquerque resident Foster Haines, filed suit just one day after Grisham announced the public health order temporarily suspending concealed and open carry laws in the city.
The group argued that the order violates their Second Amendment rights, pointing to the Supreme Court’s decision last year in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen.
The high court struck down a New York concealed carry law in the Bruen ruling, finding that firearm regulations must be based in the country’s historic tradition to be considered constitutional.
“The State must justify the Carry Prohibition by demonstrating that it is consistent with the Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation,” the complaint reads.
The order suspends concealed and open carry laws for 30 days in areas with a specific threshold of violent crime, which has only been met by the city of Albuquerque.
“When New Mexicans are afraid to be in crowds, to take their kids to school, to leave a baseball game — when their very right to exist is threatened by the prospect of violence at every turn — something is very wrong.”
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Why can't they? Dodge City, back in the 1880s, had an ordinance declaring you had to check your guns when you went into town. Even then, they knew guns and idiots grouped together don't mix. Especially when drinking. But this is an illegitimate Supreme Court it will get to. With a guy who is on the take, a guy who believes a witch trial judge's ruling(when America didn't even exist) has bearing on Abortion rights today, a Christian cult member who probably gets her instructions from her husband on how to rule, a guy who stuffed drugs up his ass and raped a woman who then had debts mysterious wiped clean, and a guy who sees all this shit and says it's OK and that we have no more racism in existence today so we gutted the civil rights act.
Vote out Republicans, people. It's the only way out of this mess.
Why can’t they? Dodge City, back in the 1880s, had an ordinance declaring you had to check your guns when you went into town.
Because of Heller v. D.C., and McDonald v. Chicago. Those precedents are over a decade old, from well before Trump stacked the courts.
Supreme court doubtfully even needs to rule on this, Heller covers this already as you said. This won't stick.
McDonald is the one that really applies here; Heller was argued to only apply to D.C., since it lacked the power of the states. McDonald clarified that yes, Heller applied to states also.
The state governor is going to use her failure to do anything substantive as a fundraiser: "I would have successfully ended all violent crime, if only those pesky MAGA-cultists hadn't stopped me!" Never mind that David fuckin' Hogg has explicitly opposed this on X (nee Twitter) saying, "I support gun safety but there is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S. Constitution.". When one of the most visible anti-gun activists in the US is against your plan, you done fucked up.
Is it still feasible to see a person coming into town from a mile off on a horse and stopping him to take his guns? Are only like 20 people a day coming in and out of this city?
Then make it a fine punishable by 10% of your yearly income. Sure, you can carry a gun in the town, but if they catch you with it, you're gonna pay a stiff penalty.
Of any debates or criticism or discussion you could possibly make....making a penalty that has no effect of an unemployed person that's most likely to mug or rob a person for having a gun by far has to be the stupidest most illogical thing you could have said. I can recognize or accept different viewpoints, but you're just a moron.
That's literally what they did in Tombstone.
The fine was $25 dollars in 1870. In 2023 that's the equivalent of $583.38.
Yep. I'm the stupid one alright.
And what percentage of their income was a fixed fine of $25? Yes. You're the stupid one.
5% of their yearly income. That is still huge. I make 100k and a 5% fine would be $5,000.
No thanks. That would definitely make me keep my pistola home.
Have a good day. You seem to be upset about something, what with all the insults and whatnot you keep throwing out. Go smoke a joint or rub one out. Peace out.
"Only the rich deserve the right to protect themselves, fuck poor people."
-You.
I think this is a big misstep, not just from the Governor but for Democrats. Once you possess a firearm it's pretty much too late for anyone to stop you using it in a crime. Handguns are easily concealed up to the point of entry (if there are metal detectors) and essentially the same with rifles as you can usually park near a building entrance. This reinforces the rights position that Democrats are ineffective at law enforcement and no nothing about guns.
Does not being allowed to regulate things you know nothing about also extend to uteruses, the environment, etc?
Of course it does. You should have the right to have an abortion. You should have the right to refuse vaccination (although private businesses should have the right to refuse to allow you entry or employment if you aren't). You should have the right to own the firearms that work best for you.
You should have the rights to make choices about yourself and your own body that do not cause direct, immediate harm to other people.
If you're going to argue that guns should be illegal because you can kill a person (illegally) with one, then it's just as reasonable to argue that abortion should be illegal because you're killing a person.
The only problem here is that both Republicans and Democrats are inconsistent, but in opposite ways.
Your second paragraph pretty well contradicts your first paragraph as far as vaccinations go.
And your third doesn't follow any kind of logical reasoning since one of the ideas behind legal abortion is bodily autonomy.
Your fourth paragraph is making conclusions based on the first three, but since they're full of holes, there's nothing to actually support your assertion.
Good. Fuck Grisham and this bullshit.
Numero America, solve 99% of world's problems. Only a country of retards would be so hellbent on having guns everywhere.