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[–] SomeoneElseMod@feddit.uk 201 points 1 year ago (7 children)
[–] Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

If the charity itself is doing proper work, that makes sense tbh. I mean, if you had billions to donate, would you give it to some random ass organisation... Or set up your own thing to do things that you personally agree with?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 79 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the charity itself is doing proper work

I would be utterly shocked if it was.

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[–] Ichi_matsu@ttrpg.network 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Agreed, and I’m find with the tax deduction if the charity works they do is legit, it’s not like he is paying taxes anyway.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

That's... actually a good point.

[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah and if he donates a majority of his wealth, thats more than he would have been taxed regardless.

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is exactly the issue. He doesn't "donate" shit. He opens a non-profit that does nothing but funnel his fortune to his children. It's all a sham. Same as with that other clothing company who "donated" their entire fortune.

[–] Kelsenellenelvial@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Not sure about elsewhere, but in Canada a Charity is a special kind of non-profit that has more public oversight as to how they manage their money, and allowed to write charitable receipts. Non-profits might do some good things, but you don’t get a tax credit for donating money to them, and there’s less oversight of how they’re managed.

[–] SomeoneElseMod@feddit.uk 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, I’d go for the middle option: donate to existing charities that appeal to me. I don’t want to run a charity, it sounds like a massive headache.

[–] Kelsenellenelvial@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You’re probably a different demographic. I’d guess the kind of people that become billionaires, assuming they actually want to be philanthropic, think that they can do a better job of managing their charities than existing charities would do managing their donations.

[–] SomeoneElseMod@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

It’s definitely fair to say I’m in the “extremely unlikely to ever be a millionaire, let alone a billionaire” demographic!

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[–] HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

Because of course they do. Thanks for the additional info!

[–] oocdc2@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

And there it is...

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[–] Perfide@reddthat.com 118 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm so fucking sick of all these billionaires "pledging" their fortunes. "I promise to donate all my wealth when I die" then fucking do it you cowards, die already.

[–] Bricktamland29@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They donate their wealth to avoid taxes. Basically their families control the foundations, they donate and avoid a whole shit ton of taxes their next of kin get the money from the foundation.

Adam Conover did a video on it.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now say this about Bill Gates and watch the downvotes pour in for... some reason

[–] Foggyfroggy@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Eh, Gates is older and has shown more commitment to the idea than most. I still wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him but the foundation has done some good things for a long time. And maybe with fewer self-aggrandizing press stories compared to others.

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Let's not forget, that while they "pLeDgE", they are also literally fucking their workers at the same time and expect that it all cancels out...

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[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 116 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is the same thing that other billionaire did with his fortune. Gave 3 billion "away" to his own charity so his kids could inherit without paying a penny in taxes.

I make under 200k and the highest bracket I hit is 51% of my salary. Warren buffet has paid less than 10% taxes on his entire fortune. They're playing us, the new cool thing is just to say it's for the climate.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Bezos pledged 40 billion (maybe 20, can't remember) I believe in 2019.

To date he has actually donated less than $200 million of it IIRC to any climate-related funds.

It's just a bold face lie, not even taking his own charity scams into account.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 80 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Taxes. He should pay taxes.

[–] onparole@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What good does that do when government bans books, defunds schools and persuades people to become parents against their will and then cares more about corps then citizens? and breathe

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Maybe the government wouldn't do those things if they weren't in the pocket of corporations. Corporations who buy politicians so to create tax loopholes so they don't have to pay taxes....

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[–] Neato@kbin.social 73 points 1 year ago (4 children)

No. The government should take it from him as taxes that he avoided. So the people can decide how best to invest it instead of over egomaniac with a history is abusing his people.

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

To be honest, going all toward climate change seems better than what the government would use it for. That being said, he should definitely pay more taxes.

[–] ToastedRavioli@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Dude for sure is going to spin up his own charities with lofty mission statements that he “donates” to which exclusively pitch solutions that require a lot of investment in his for-profit endeavors.

Don’t mistake money laundering for benevolence.

[–] puppy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You know he's not really giving it away, right? I bet my bottom dollar that his assets are being transferred to a fund he controls. Because the fund is categorised non-profit, it will receive max tax write-offs.

His ex-wife on the other hand, has given away butt load of money to actual charities.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah if it actually goes towards climate change and "uniting humanity" that's way better than giving it to any government.

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[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The US government? LOL. How much of the taxes goes to fossil fuel and corn subsidies and to the military industrial complex?

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago

The majority of our taxes goes to social programs and healthcare. Military spending is insane, but we have to keep in mind that taxing billionaires will absolutely bring benefits to the common folks.

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[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 66 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Billionaire pledges" is the same vibe as "hopes and prayers" .

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unless he's donating everything tomorrow, this is all bullshit.

First off he doesn't have 124 billion. He is WORTH 124 billion, the vast majority of it being the worth of his stakes in Amazon. If he sells all his stakes in it, the Amazon worth would plummet and he'd be worth a fraction of what he's worth today.

But lets say he has a 124 billion dollars. If he gives out 10 millions every day it will still take over 300 years. In that time his worth likely would.grow faster than he's spending it so in 300 years he'd still be worth more than he is today.

All this charity stuff is bullshit, TAX THE RICH. Taxes will give honest amounts of money to governments who can then use that money for universal healthcare, universal education, universal income...

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[–] Philolurker@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

I'll believe that if his plan is to unify humanity under his rule.

[–] orangatang@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

lol, "Pledge" just means, I might do it, so you can write a nice fluff peace on me and then I just conveniently forget to "Pledge" x amount.

[–] Echo71Niner@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's all fucking BS and theatrics, it's easy to promise shit AFTER YOU DIE.

[–] heliosef@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Way to make people root for your death

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[–] Peddlephile@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Isn't this the guy who wants to abandon earth and build a stupid sphere thing in space?

[–] gencha@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, philanthropy. When you really want to fuck shit up, while keeping a clean facade.

Someone make Gates explain all his trips to Eppstein's island already!

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

TOOK THE GHOSTS LONG ENOUGH

[–] PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Billionaire philanthropy is as old as robber barons, and has long been a tool of washing the blood off of the legacy of the immensely wealthy.

Cornelius Vanderbilt, often considered the first of the robber barons, built his fortune first with steamboats, using his money borrowed from his parents and vicious business tactics. He later became one of the wealthiest people ever by building a monopoly within the nascent US railroad industry link. He pioneered many of the tactics used by the wealthy to abuse the rest of society for their benefit. A notable instance is the 1877 railroad strike, which occurred in response to him cutting the wages of his rail workers by 20%. As should be utterly unsurprising, he blamed the economy being depressed and encouraged the workers to work harder to improve business. link The strikers were naturally faced by police, militia, and national guard opposition. Around 100 people were killed as a result.

Vanderbilt was not one for philanthropy, but later on life did make some donations to churches (at his wives' behest), as well as to what is now Vanderbilt university. It's not an accident that he is remembered as the most reviled of the robber barons, to us now, and during his day.

Andrew Carnegie really was the one who established the trend of the incredibly wealthy giving away money as a method to launder his abuses of his workers and smaller competitors. Carnegie wrote an essay "The Gospel of Wealth" which outlined his belief that it is the duty of the immensely wealthy to give their money away, famously writing "The man who dies thus rich dies disgraced" link

However, when we focus on the libraries and schools Carnegie built, we lose sight of the abuses he committed. Andrew Carnegie built his steel empire by savagely undercutting his compittion. He achieved these prices by cutting wages aggressively, crushing unions and forcing workers to work long hours in incredibly unsafe conditions. The Homestead Strike occurred in 1892 in responses to back to back wage cuts. Violence broke out between steel workers and the private strike breaking firm, the Pinkertons, whom Carnegie hired. Seven workers and three Pinkertons were killed. Naturally, the National Guard was called in by Carnegie's underling Frick to finish the job. link

Two years later, in 1894, McClure's magazine published a piece by Hamlin Garland, which is fascinating and worth a read link. To quote Hamlin's guide:

"Yes, the men call this the death-trap... they wipe a man out here every little while... (death comes) all kinds of ways. Sometimes a chain breaks, and a ladle tips over, and the iron explodes--like that... Sometimes the slag falls on the workmen from that roadway up there. Of course, if everything is working all smooth and a man watches out, why, all right ! But you take it after they've been on duty twelve hours without sleep, and running like hell, everybody tired and loggy, and it's a different story".

Bezos, Gates, Buffet, and their ilk very much follow in this same tradition. They spend their lives abusing workers, and destroying the lives of rivals to amass unimaginable wealth, and use philanthropy in their later years to wash the dried blood off of their image. No amount of philanthropy justifies their actions. No human makes that amount of wealth without viciously abusing others.

[–] Mio@feddit.nu 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He just got too much money. He can make all he cares about rich. Buy anything. And still have money left. After he is dead, then giving away to charity will be his legacy. He also get a lot of tax break for this. Now, think about much he is responsible for the climate change by having all these Amazon stores etc.

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[–] notabird@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

What that means is he will invest that much in energy related projects during the course of his life. He did this the last time as well. He is not giving his money away. We are just used to turd ass quality journalism.

[–] stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You can kiss all the babies you want, you still eat the ones at home.

Fuck a pseudo Phil.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Can he donate like one billion to me first please?

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[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago

It's as simple as his new wife wanted a foundation, just like his old wife had.

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