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[–] odium@programming.dev 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of all the economies to praise, they pick the modern North Korean economy. Lmao.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's because they legitimately believe North Korea is actually a paradise

[–] baked_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

It's just children then

[–] Vaggumon@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

can afford a ton of stuff when your people are starving.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

same shit with the us and healthcare

[–] Vaggumon@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago
[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

tfw universal healthcare would actually be cheaper than our current system

These are tears of joy, and not total, all-consuming, laughing-mad despair, I promise

[–] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago

It could be a little easier to develop nuclear weapons in 2015 vs. 1943, also after a dozen other countries already did it.

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just to be clear. These are the guys the admins wanted to federate with?

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that's right!

though i would've still liked to remain federated, they were fun to mess with

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

The only thing they know what yo do is drag you Down to their stupidity and then beat you with experience. While it might be fun for some. It's just annoying for the rest

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

[deports and exterminates Crimean Tatars]

Is this what multiculturalism looks like?

Cuba has the most progressive family code in the world

I don't know about most, but I would like to point out that for all of Cuba's other political faults, this one is true - they recently passed a very progressive family code.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's funny how little they talk about Cuba and Vietnam

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Today, the Vietnamese view the U.S. in a positive light. About three-quarters of Vietnamese (76%) expressed a favorable opinion of the U.S. in a 2014 Pew Research Center survey. More highly educated people (89%) gave the U.S. especially high marks. Young people ages 18-29 were particularly affirmative (89%), but the U.S. is seen positively even by those who are old enough to have lived through the Vietnam War. Among those ages 50 and older, more than six-in-ten rated the U.S. favorably.

Shit, you probably couldn't get those numbers even in the US.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ho Chi Minh himself was a fan of the US. He spent some good time in the states though what he really did there is clouded in mystery. The first sentence of the Vietnamese declaration of independence is copied, verbatim, from the American one, generally speaking the anti-colonial attitude and liberalism where up his alley and back in the days the US politicians hadn't yet really found their identity as imperialist swine... this was some 20 years before WWII.

Oh and he worked for a time for Auguste Escoffier.

Had the Yanks continued to antagonise Vietnam after the war the whole thing would probably look quite differently, also, if Vietnam was an island located in the Caribbeans. But having a country as ally there that really doesn't like Chinese imperialism is something US hawks like so they were willing to overlook the fact that the local regime was state capitalist instead of fascist.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, Vietnam wrecked our anti-imperialist cred that we cultivated after WW2. While our actions in Latin America have always been questionable at best, we were actually major supporters of international independence movements against our own nominal allies in Europe, and for that reason, maintained a strong anti-imperialist reputation all throughout the 50s.

Not that this reputation wasn't tarnished with very not-anti-imperialist involvement in some cases - Operation Ajax coming to mind for an example outside of Latin America - but that it also wasn't completely unwarranted - such as our involvement in pressuring the UK during the Suez Canal Crisis, or the fact that we ran interference for Moroccan independence groups against France, or our support for Indonesian independence against the Netherlands.

All of that, gone in a metaphorical instant, washed away in a tide of blood and war crimes.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Makes sense the the Vietnamese have generally favorable views on America, after all compared to their hundreds of years of stuggle against China the American-Vietnam war was basically a particularly destructive skirmish.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I always hear it as:

"Why don't we hate the Americans? We fought the Americans for 20 years. But we fought the French for 200 and the Chinese for 2000."

The Vietnam War was an event that culturally shattered a generation here in the States, and first showed many American homes the brutality of a war fought by unrestrained soldiery, and by the same forces they had always been told fought for 'good'. But for all the greater destruction wreaked by it in Vietnam, for them, American involvement in the Vietnam War was just the tail end of their independence movement, the moment before victory. "Gg, no re, if you don't fuck with us again we don't have to be enemies."

If one will forgive both the Americentrism and the flippant comparison, we were their Hessians - foreigners involved in a struggle that wasn't ours for dubious reasons of financial gain and diplomatic ties.

[–] LucyLastic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, if I wanted to create a positive vibe around Communism I'd start with crafting stories about Cuba since they can at least pass a vague lazy reality check

[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I'm waiting for reports of the N Korean sub sinks on its maiden voyage. Probably followed by satellite photos showing it was actually a 3 midgets in a trench coat type situation.

[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ah yes Chinese affirmative action. Which consist of moving Han Chinese to areas where non-Han people are the majority and giving the Han Chinese all the good jobs. So progressive.

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

JFC, I constantly forget just how unhinged and detached from reality tankies are.

[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

Ah yes

Meanwhile their citizens have nothing to do in their free time, cant travel, cant watch netflix, can barely get food. Lol

This is the stupidest take ive seen in a while.

I do agree that america suck but.. NK and the US isnt even comparable.. they are so different it doesnt make sense.

[–] BeefDaddySupreme@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So optimized into starvation, no comforts like electricity, and poverty, etc.. A tankies wet dream

[–] TruTollTroll@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And didn't Kim just outlaw dogs as pets and literally killed hundreds of thousands of pets in front of the owners!?

[–] BeefDaddySupreme@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

No pets, only food stock

[–] ZapBeebz_@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The most expensive part of anything nuclear is pretty much a tie between dealing with the waste and safety (and dealing with the waste is basically safety). So I wouldn't go within about 15 miles of any nuclear anything developed on a shoestring budget. Because if it's done cheaply, it is very unsafe, and I don't want to be any more irradiated than I already am.

[–] DarkenLM@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

They seem to have forgotten what happened when a certain nation cheaped out on a nuclear power plant...

Right after the COVID -related arduous march 2.

[–] dumptruckdan@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

They made a lot of lawn darts on the way there though