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[–] DRUMS_@reddthat.com 45 points 1 year ago (11 children)
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[–] Four_lights77@lemm.ee 44 points 1 year ago (5 children)

School will never be as interesting as a phone. Your teacher will never be as entertaining as an influencer. Your textbooks will never be as entertaining as your feed. What families and teenagers have to understand is that education is a choice. If you want to learn, you’ll probably have to put your phone down for long periods of time to actively listen and learn. It’s difficult. It tires you out. It’ll frustrate you. But you will eventually learn.

Then again - when I look at home prices and inflation, I understand young people’s feelings of futility.

Good luck young people. I’m really rooting for you to figure this out.

[–] Waltzy@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

As a former young person that came from poverty and is finally buying a house in a high cost of living area, go read "so good they can't ignore you" it might help with the figuring out!

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[–] jaackf@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The amount of times I told my students they can use their phone for certain exercises, then 90% of them just went on Tiktok or played Clash Of Clans, is why is started not allowing phones.

I get that to the 10% it was super helpful but it's just easier to not allow everyone.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, at least you gave them a chance. Thank you.

[–] jaackf@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

I'm all for giving them a chance to prove they're able to be responsible. Especially the kids that always try hard and deserve to be trusted.

I found that a lot of kids struggled to accept any consequences of their actions, though taking their phones off them for playing games was pretty clear to them.

[–] Swallowtail@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It would be funny if people were forced to do something akin to mandatory military service but for working at a school as a paraprofessional or other aide for a little while. I feel like most people really have no idea how much teachers have to juggle and deal with on a daily basis. Come see how my kids behave when left to their own devices and then judge me.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Everyone should have to work a retail/customer service/care/teaching job, its eye opening the way people treat those they see as in their service.

[–] jaackf@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

For sure! A lot of parents don't really understand the amount of stuff teachers have to go through either, and we don't get paid for the hundreds of hours we do outside of teaching hours.

It's why I had to quit in the end. Felt like I couldn't give it my all because I was mentally and physically exhausted.

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[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can try to make the material interesting and be engaging but if you're watching Overwatch on your phone all of that is a moot point.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

but if you're watching Overwatch

You can just take away their phone in that case, no?
Not sure about OP, but my point is that phones can be useful. But if they're clearly not...

[–] hoodatninja@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago (39 children)

I mean it kind of needs to be both. But it’s hard to find a compelling reason why kids need their smartphones fully accessible during class.

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[–] Nobsi@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"oh no i cannot play on my phone, how could school be so cruel"

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[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

OP take a look back at this in about 5-10 years and realize how monumentally ignorant it is.

[–] BigNote@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

I don't think OP is thinking that far into their future. I don't think OP has any plans for higher education either. It's been a few decades for me, but when I was an undergrad, if your pager went off in class --cell phones weren't really a thing yet-- most professors would ask you to leave, which was not a good thing in the small upper division classes as they were very difficult and you had to pass with a B or better to move on in my major.

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[–] sculd@beehaw.org 15 points 1 year ago

Multiple studies have shown that smartphone decrease concentration, and have negative impact on emotional well being in adolescents.

The mere presence of a smartphone reduces basal attentional performance https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-36256-4

Brain Drain: The Mere Presence of One’s Own Smartphone Reduces Available Cognitive Capacity https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/691462

Attention or Distraction? The Impact of Mobile Phone on Users' Psychological Well-Being https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8093572/

Mobile phone use, behavioural problems and concentration capacity in adolescents: A prospective study https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1438463916300645

[–] ShranTheWaterPoloFan@startrek.website 13 points 1 year ago (12 children)

What would you prefer the school do?

How could they motivate you to actually pay attention in class instead of playing with your phone? Honestly ask yourself if this "addressing motivation" would make geometry more interesting than tiktok.

[–] cabbagee@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well said. Social media is designed specifically to hold attention and encourage addictive behavior. There's no way to compete.

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[–] calzone_gigante@lemmy.eco.br 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree that the school environment should be more motivating, but there's no way to compete with apps and games designed to be addictive, even adults have trouble avoiding their phones at work.

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[–] NaoPb@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

Even before phones schools were like this. But they'd just put you in mandatory extra classes to fix your grades. Instead of, you know, talking to you. To get to know how you are doing and how you're feeling.

I've hated my school time and all it taught me is teachers are obsessed with having power over others. Maybe not all teachers, but a lot are like this. They won't listen to you, they just force their opinion on you. And if you don't do well in their pre-made lecturing framework then it's on you because you don't pay attention and you are lazy. It's never on them.

[–] someguy@lemmyland.com 6 points 1 year ago (16 children)

If schools only focused on what students were motivated to learn, I'm not sure schools would really be accomplishing much. Not to say that schools shouldn't foster motivation in students. Just that technology, especially social media, is very effective at distracting people.

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[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

Yeah, the second one will directly affect the first one positively. Essentially, school work needs to be the most interesting thing you can do in school, otherwise you will have low motivation. It's not the job of the the school staff to make the material extremely interesting, it's their job to remove every more interesting thing from the reach of students.

Read up on dopamine if you didn't understand that.

(And yes, this affects adults too)

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The motivation problem isn't the school's fault, it's yours. You choose to not want to learn.

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[–] lunicoDee@feddit.it 3 points 1 year ago

Phones certainly decrease our level of motivation by decreasing our dopamine baseline. Huberman Labs episodes addressing dopamine are really interesting

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