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Rights Groups To Sue as Louisiana Requires Ten Commandments Displayed in Classrooms (www.commondreams.org)

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 75 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I wonder if the people who wrote the law know that there are multiple versions of the 10 commandments.

They're pretty similar, but the numbers don't match up.

The commandment against killing is #6 for Jews and Protestants, but #5 for Catholics. Stealing is #8 for Jews and Protestants, but #7 for Catholics. Then there are some bigger differences.

For Jews #2 says "You shall have no other gods beside me. You shall not make for yourself a sculptured image, or any likeness of what is in the heavens above or on the earth below, or in the waters under the earth." That's effectively split into #1 and #2 for Protestants, with #1 being "no other gods" and #2 being "no graven images". For Catholics, "no other gods" is #1, but they got rid of the bit about graven images, presumably so they can have old finger bones people can worship, or statues to Mary. So, for Catholics #2 says not to take the name of their god in vain. Catholics make up for that by having a commandment against coveting the milf next door and a second one about your neighbour's stuff, whereas Jews and Protestants have just 1 commandment against coveting your neighbour's stuff.

Also, the Jews didn't seem to understand the assignment for #1, because it's not actually a commandment, it's backstory: "I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, the house of bondage." So, Jews really have 9 commandments and 1 informational message.

Also, fun loophole. All 3 versions say "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." #9 for Jews and Protestants, #8 for Catholics. But, if someone isn't your neighbour... Loophole!

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If you talk to many american christians, then the answer is whatever they personally learned or believe. You must believe the same as them and their arbitrary translation of the Bible. All other possibilities are blasphemous and a personal attack on them.

Source: my parents and my entire childhood in school and church

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

None of those versions are the things the Bible actually calls the 10 Commandments, which are in this chapter of Exodus.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2034&version=NIV

Although I'm not sure what the state of Louisiana has against yeast in a blood sacrifice.

[–] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You know there's more than one version of the Bible, right?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Can you show the version that calls any other group of laws the ten commandments? Go for it. Chapter and verse, please.

[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So there is no difference for you between e.g. the King James Bible, the NIV Bible, or the English Bible from 1631?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (9 children)

I never said anything of the sort.

I said that the only group of laws in the Bible called the ten commandments is the ones in Exodus 34. That's true for all versions of the Bible as far as I know.

But, again, if you can find one that calls another set of laws the ten commandments, please show me the chapter and verse and the edition of it.

Would you prefer the KJV?

Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

The NIV?

Exodus 34:28 Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.

The ESV?

Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.[a]

The Orthodox Jewish Bible?

Exodus 34:28 And he was there with Hashem arba’im yom and arba’im lailah; he did neither eat lechem, nor drink mayim. And he wrote upon the Luchot the Divrei HaBrit (Words of the Covenant), the Aseres Hadevarim (Ten Commandments).

Edit: A thousand apologies to you pissed off Christians who are learning that what Louisiana is demanding to be put on school walls isn't actually the Ten Commandments like they claim it is, but they're still wrong.

[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I just wanted to point out that while it has the same label, it does not always contain the same content.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

And my point is that what Louisiana is calling the Ten Commandments is never called that in their supposed holy Bible inspired by their god and that there is part of that Bible, specifically called ten commandments that they are not discussing.

No matter how many people are pissed of by that fact, it's still a fact. Those so-called ten commandments are not what the Bible calls the ten commandments. And if you want proof, I keep asking for chapter and verse and no one has provided it to me.

[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And my point is that what Louisiana is calling the Ten Commandments is never called that in their supposed holy Bible inspired by their god and that there is part of that Bible, specifically called ten commandments that they are not discussing.

OK, now I get your point. Yes, those "ten commandments" would be funny to see in the classrooms. It might even teach some of the hardcore Christians and Bible thumpers something new...

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

Hardcore Christians and bible thumpers not actually knowing anything about their bible isn't new, it's very on-par for them

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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They needed #1 since they were never in Egypt to begin with. All archaeological evidence points to the Israelites being Cannannites that decided to kill their cousins, and claim they weren't related. They attached themselves to Egypt because Egypt was more powerful back then than the Mittani and the Assyrians.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

Still doesn't make it a "commandment".

A commandment is an order like "You shall not murder." It is an action that you could take, but are being ordered not to take. How would someone violate the Jewish 1st commandment?

If it were something like "I am the Lord Your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage, and you shall never suggest that that isn't what happened", then it would be a commandment. As it stands, it's not a commandment, it's just backstory.

[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

How about the ten commandments as shown in the English Bible print from 1631?

[–] BottleOfAlkahest@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Episode 31 of the Data Over Dogma podcast covers some of the issues with the "10" commandment. If you haven't checked them out you may be interested.

Edit: sorry I should have double checked the spelling, it's fixed now!

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[–] Veraxus@lemmy.world 68 points 4 months ago

Good. As they should.

[–] tvbusy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Translate the Commandments to Arabic and display them to see the world burn.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago

You don't even have to go that far. Just put them up in Spanish and half the state will lose their fucking minds.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

They'll probably claim that violates the "easily readable font" part of there law that should be unconstitutional.

[–] Coach@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm certain Louisiana classrooms could also use a few verses from The Satanic Bible, too. The Ten Non-Commandments? Maybe we throw it back to the Papyrus of Hunefer or the Epic of Gilgamesh, since Christianity is so derivative.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago (4 children)

It's the 7 tenets, not ten non-commandments. And they're really good and honestly better to have in the classroom.

Neither should be in classrooms except in relevant textbooks.

[–] Coach@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Sorry. I was referencing an alternate set of "rules" created as part of a “10 ‘Non-Commandments’ Contest” or the list published by Bayer. I find them just as (if not far more) relevant as the Ten Commandments.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Interesting read, thank you for that!

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[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Make them read Gilgamesh, I want to see them react to a prostitute making a dude more civilized

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 months ago (6 children)

This is presumably being done in collaboration with the supreme court to give them a test case to permit establishment of the Christian religion in schools.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm very Christian and am fully supportive of suing over this bullshit.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Please speak to the people sitting beside you in the pews.

They don't seem to care what us godless heathens have to say. Maybe they'll listen to a fellow believer.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

I do - just not when we're in the pews.

I will never discuss politics at church in the same way that I will never discuss religion at a City Council meeting. Separation of Church and State is good for both institution.

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[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The "Not Like Other Girls" of christians

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Not like there's a shortage of intra-Christian violence over interpretations of scripture. You can be a devote Christian and still know enough history not to pine for the 30 Years War or the Inquisition.

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Bans Tik Tok and puts up the ten commandments.

Pretty clear what the goal is here.

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[–] FirstCircle@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 months ago

Welp, I can see it's time to re-up as a member with the ACLU, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, the Freedom From Religion Foundation, and maybe a few more. I haven't been active in the Church:State fight since the early 2000s when GWB was kissing-up to Christofascists but the latter are really gaining momentum of late now that they have Their People in power from the SCOTUS on down to the lowliest municipal admin spot. We as a country are truly f*cked if we don't neutralize these people. I'll probably join TST too because I agree with them ideologically, they're doing some great women's health care work, and I want to make sure that I get on all the Christofascist's Lists as a certified Demonic influencer.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I want the ten Commandments of the satanists church then as well, with a little sweet Baphomet statue next to it to drive the point Home

[–] crusty@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'd prefer the Seven Fundamental Tenets of the Satanic Temple. Also cute little Baphomets would be amazing!

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Was wondering if ToS will be placing their tenants beside these.

[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think you mean TST.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 4 months ago

Yes, thank you.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I honestly think this was part of their plan. Enact a clearly unconstitutional law, get someone to sue get it escalated all the way to the Supreme Court, and have the Supreme Court somehow pull out of their ass that it's constitutional.

[–] JakenVeina@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

This has been their MO for at least a decade, for shit they don't like.

[–] PancakeTrebuchet@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Louisiana is so lame.

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[–] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

I know this is now such a cliche thing to say but I legitimately expected this headline to be from the onion.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 4 months ago

Who at all did not see this coming? At this point we as a country just waste resources so the people in the back can push their little christofascist agendas.

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago

The irony here is that south Louisiana is still very segregated when it comes to education - those who can afford it send their kids to Catholic school. So a decent amount of students already have this. He’s just trying to “own the libs” in a PR stunt.

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