No headphone jack on this type of device is unreal. I am still using my AKG Earbuds I got with my S8 which are now 5 years old. Meanwhile ask the first gen Airpod consoomers how they are doing.
this post was submitted on 30 Aug 2023
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Exactly. I still cannot fathom why a company which prides itself on sustainability ditch the headphone jack. Granted, I don't use the one on my phone often, but I'm very glad that it's there when I need it.
You can get a USB-c to 3.5mm headphone adapter. I got one recently and it works just fine.
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No headphone jack no sale, it makes zero sense not having one
Genuine question, but for the common user, why should a phone have a headphone jack?
Can't speak for everyone but here are the reasons I prefer an actual jack:
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3.5mm headphones are extremely universal and can be used for any audio device. USB-C and Bluetooth headphones cannot
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Bluetooth is extremely inconsistent when paired with multiple devices and often gets disconnected because of competing devices
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I can't charge my phone and listen to USB c headphones at the same time
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Manufacturers claim the removal of the jack was to improve the water resistance. I have never dropped my phone in water and would be willing to risk it.
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I already have too many wireless things to charge
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I have a small stockpile of broken wireless headphones. Meanwhile my 10 year old wired headphones are collecting dust
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I have never lost something more often than that tiny ass USB to 3.5mm dongle adapter
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I distrust large corporations with incentive to get consumers to buy more stuff from them
Don't forget Bluetooth has absolutely shit audio quality while using the microphone with how it handles call audio (although I'm praying BLE audio fixes this). Also true wireless earbuds can't compare at all to wired earbuds microphones in the slightest.
Your point is generally well taken, but your first point about 3.5 mm jacks being universal isnβt really true any more. Itβs nearly impossible to find a device these days with a 3.5 mm audio Jack. It sucks but itβs true.
Well TBH, I have been exclusively using Bluetooth headsets for like 7 years now and I've had a good experience with that.
I would recommend either big clamshells (I use a rather expensive but awesome Bose 700) or necklace designs like my LG tone 800 hbs headsets (I got like 4 of those over the years). I bought a pair of extremely expensive Sony WM-1000XM 4 that suck donkey balls for a long list of reasons, but not Bluetooth.
Barring some connection issues sometimee, Bluetooth is really quite nice and allows me to walk around freely. I haven't missed the jack plugs ever, really.
Genuinely, good for you. I don't want to switch to something more expensive, that probably wheighs more on the environment (batteries tend to do that), that I'll lose more easily, that can catch connecticity issues, that force me to turn on bluetooth... And that's okay we just have different priorities. What bugs me is only yours ever seem to be catered to nowadays, even though mine don't seem particularly rare and you can ignore jack plugs easier than I can listen to music while plugged on my external battery
TBH good sounding IEM/Headphones actually worth keeping for years today are almost all modular. IEM/Headphones worthy of playing from a jack will not sound great from a trash built-in one and will need extra AMP/DAC anyway.
Funnily enough, the best AMP/DACs you can get today all use bluetooth. They are even good after the battery dies since they are also wired DAC/AMPs. There are some where a battery change is also likely. IEMs have TWS converters as well.
It is all pretty convenient without a builtin jack, unless you are really running dry on cash and/or dont even care about the most important part which is audio quality.
....to plug headphones in. How is this a genuine question?
People still use their phones to listen to music and wireless earphones are almost universally garbage, require charging, and produce insane amounts of e-waste. Wired headphones don't have these issues
USB-C dongles are notoriously prone to breaking and also are another bunch of silicon and plastic that contributes to e-waste pollution.
though truth be told, most phone 3.5mm outputs suck donkey balls because of massive output impedance and signal to noise ratio on sensitive headphones (of which most portable audio devices are) and companies should be ashamed of putting these hunks of shit in their phones.
To have a convenient cheap set of earbuds that keep working, never need any charging nor can be lost.
You can find those everywhere for like 5β¬, if you don't get them for free with certain devices.
I still have a couple laying around that have never been used.
I don't get battery operated devices for things that don't stray further than 1 meter from the device they are connected to.
Media playback is always 3 seconds delayed through Bluetooth for me, it's annoying. Plus I like the wired headset I've used for 7 years.
700β¬
Yeah that's the biggest turnoff for me personally, it sucks how we are always expected to pay a fat premium for something more sustainable. There should be some small government subsidies for phones like these, just like there are on e-bikes and EVs in many countries.
Well, if they actually ensure fair wages for as many people in production as possible, that's just what a phone of this caliber should cost.
Idk, the word price premium sounds more like an arbitrary and baseless increase to me, which this (hopefully) isn't.
There's a lot more that needs to happen, obviously. Because 700 bucks is a lot of money for many people either way, fair or not.
Edit:
OLED. I'm sold. Well, whenever my current phone dies, but then I'm sold.
It is not that Fairphones are expensive.
It is that every other phone is made by slave labour, which makes them inexpensive.
Also every other phone is priced at the point of you buying a new device in 3 years anyway because the battery is glued in while the FP should have a far longer lifecycle
Is that alot? Mybe im out of touch but most flagships cost 1k+ iirc
700 is cheap. Especially considering the hardware, the fact that i can repair it myself with ease. You should watch jerryrigeverything's video tearing it down. Its insane how easy it is to replace any part. The screen comes off the front and has 1 cable connecting it and can be replaced for 100 β¬.
People complaining about the cost of a phone that was made in a way that is not only sustainable but also paid 3veryone involved at least a living wage (more than minimum) is something we should all be happy to pay more for. The fact that any major company can make phones of this quality for less is because they pay their workers less than minimum wage (if anything at all), outsource everything to 3rd world countries and exploit their workers.
If that means nothing to you then you are probably a capitalist or just too immoral to care, in which case, who gives a shit what you think.
Sorry thats not directed at you, just people who hear all that and still dont even consider changing their mindset around this.
What phone have you bought recently that will be updated/supported for 8 years and comes with a 5 year warranty? My last 5 phones have come with a 1 to 2 year warranty and fall out of support the following year when the next model comes out. But im stuck with them for 3 years because of a contract i locked myself into.
I am doing some research and strongly feeling like i might make this my next phone and maybe i wont need to upgrade it for a long long time. That sounds nice.
I'm gonna buy it. Since it's gonna be my first Fairphone and first phone I'll buy new; I'm excited :)
I just wish they made Fairbuds XL in those new colors (I mean blue and translusive)
Fairbuds. The most important reason I will not support this model. Forcing me into their ecosystem by removing the headphone jack should not be what this company stands for. It is literally against their philosophy.
Bring back the jack.
If they do, we are talking again.
Although I agree with you that the headphone jack should be brought back, I dont think it's fair to say they're forcing you into their ecosystem.
Apple making apple watches only work with iPhones is forcing you into their ecosystem, but with this phone you can use any Bluetooth headphones.
OK, that's fair.
Well.. they do offer a usbC to jack in their online store (but you can buy from whoever you want).
But I guess usbC to usbC would work which would make sense if you're using your charging cable which is (more or less likely to be) an usbc to usbc cable.
I might be wrong tho, but we have usbC earbuds and headphones (or was it apple's lightning wired earbuds? I'm not sure)
But nontheless I think minijack would make for a more versitile device and I was a little dissapointed when I learned that Fairphone 4 does not have jack. Well FP5 does not have it either but I don't care, I can get jack to C adapter cable from my friend if I ever need it
Did they at least use their own keys when signing the operating system this time? I like what they're doing creating a fairer supply chain and all, but the software side keeps being neglected. So much so I'm regretting my purchase of the fairphone 4 and instead wish I had gotten a phone which placed more significance to the security of the OS installed.
Would you be able give me more details of the issues faced in your previous phone?
Hopefully in the years to come they'll slowly reduce the size of the phone. 162mm tall is just too big for comfortable single hand usage.
Hmm.. worth a thought
So, can I use their camera app on a custom rom, and retain access to all the features of all the lenses/cameras?
Would be a shame to lose all that.
Will it ever come to US?
Fairphone 4 is sold and supported in the NA by Murena (maker of /e/OS):
- https://murena.com/america/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairphone-4/
- https://murena.com/america/products/spare-parts/
I hope at some point they will carry Fairphone 5 as well.
I thought the fairphone 4 was getting official support for Ubports, but I haven't heard about it in a while.
Was really hoping that would come true and that we could see the fruits bear of ubports be on a modern spec'd device.
MicroSD slot?
Yes, up to 2 terrabytes capacity i believe.
I hope it gets a US release with antenna designed for US networks
This actually looks pretty nice. I'm going to need something to replace my OnePlus 6T when it eventually needs replacing. Shame there's no smaller version though.
I find the "gotta have the jack" camp quite amusing. As wireless protocols become better and better, I don't miss having a jack on my devices. In fact I prefer not tearing the cable when moving from my pc to do something. The lack of a plug is not a net loss but also focuses the hardware to do something else. Personally I really like usb C being truly universal. One good cable can connect different devices ranging from monitors, headphones, microcontrollers, HIDs and so on. Input interfaces come and go π€·
I'm a live sound engineer, and whenever I need to play music from my phone over the PA, I now have to dig out yet another goddamn adapter to do so. A tour manager or road engineer with an apple device wants to play tunes over the house PA? Hope they have their own adapter, because my "universal" USB-C adapter won't cut it.
For me I really only miss the days of not having to charge my headphones. Its hard to remember that's something I need to do
"no headphone jack no sale"
have fun being stuck 20 years in the past