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[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 162 points 5 months ago (2 children)

"Lock her up" was his fucking campaign slogan at the time.

[–] occhionaut@lemmy.world 49 points 5 months ago

Another raving LEFTIST whose trying to DESTROY our glorious country with LIES and FALSEHOODS!!!

huge fucking /s

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 months ago

There's a whole movie using the same rhythm 'dont look up' that, I assume, it was modeled after. I'm sure his narcissism is clutching for some control these days and it's driving him mad.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 154 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Ugh. Here we go:

That didn't happen.  <-- We are here
And if it did, it wasn't that bad. 
And if it was, that's not a big deal. 
And if it is, that's not my fault. 
And if it was, I didn't mean it. 
And if I did... You deserved it. 
[–] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)
That didn't happen.  <-- We are here
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.  <-- We are here
And if it was, that's not a big deal.  <-- We are here
And if it is, that's not my fault.  <-- We are here
And if it was, I didn't mean it.  <-- We are here
And if I did... You deserved it.  <-- We are here

[–] uis@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Physicist would love to study Trump as quantuum system

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean......he can cycle through those stages as fast or as short as he wants. I'm more interested in a different cycle.

Trump prepares for an election one year away.

Trump is not a criminal.

Trump goes on trial.

Trump farts in his sleep.

Trump IS a criminal.

Trump is locked up.

Maybe someone in jail pokes him in the eyes, or kicks him in the balls.

THATS the series of events I'M here to see. And you know CNN would somehow get access to the video footage of trump in jail. Especially if something funny happens.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 months ago

I sort of want to see Trump do a speed run through the steps.

Like could he do all 6 in one speech?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 141 points 5 months ago (2 children)

“Lies”. The word is “lies”, WaPo. Use it.

Yeah he’ll sue. So??

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 40 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm seeing a trendy way of doing the headline:

"Trump claims he never said lock her up. He did. Several times."

Or some variation.

"All the times Trump said "Lock her up"

"Trump said "Lock her up", now claims he never did"

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 10 points 5 months ago

What I would like is for them to show him the evidence and then see what he says.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Lying requires intent to deceive. Honestly, at this point, I can't be sure trump has any grip on reality so might actually believe that he never said it.

Falsely claims accurately depicts what happened without assuming intent. It's a way to cover their butt.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I think there are actually 3 different cases:

  • Knows what is true and chooses to say a falsehood. This is your normal person lying, which usually comes with subtle indications which can be spotted by the observant that they're lying, such as them turning their eyes away when lying, because the person knowingly lying feels guilty.
  • Couldn't care less about what is true or false when talking to other people, so say whatever benefits them most to say. This is sociopaths, psychopaths and narcissists such as Trump: for them talk is just a way to get others to do what's best for them and truthfulness is irrelevant and unimportant, so they fell no guilt at all from lying since lying or telling the truth is all the same with possibly an intellectual consideration that there is no long term tisk of personal negative impact over the long run due to loss of trust when telling the truth so in that case they might refrain from telling a falsehood.
  • People who have visions, see things that aren't there or, more commonly, have a strong emotional binding to some tribe and have been told things, interpretations of things or conclusions by leaders of that tribe and refuse to even examine them mentally to determine their truthfulness. This is were you find the outright insane and the deeply religious, but also the members of political, national and even sports tribes. They genuinely believe that what they are saying is the truth, mostly because they didn't checked those truths for consistency or for "does the source of this stand to gain if I believe it" (I.e. cui bono). This is were you find many of the medically insane, people who believe in populist politicians, deeply religious types and people who will believe in any old bollocks from the politicians from "their" side even when they're not generally deemed populist politicians.

Anyway, my point being that the most of the lying on really important shit is coming from the 2nd group or the 3rd group, since normal people who truly know that what they would say would be a falsehood don't like how it makes them feel so tend to refrain from doing it, whilst members of the 2nd group only consider truthfulness-vs-falsehoods in purely intellectual "what's best for me to say" terms and those on the 3rd group actually believe what they're saying (hence feel no guilt in saying it) because they're unable or unwilling to examine, evaluate and judge for truthfulness statements coming from certain sources - they have no intent to deceive but they are none the less doing it because by purposefully refusing to evaluate and judge the truthfulness of certain things from certain sources they've first allowed themselves to be deceived, so when they parrot those things, in their mind they are telling the truth.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Lying, by definition, requires an intent to deceive. I agree with you that groups 2 and 3 are where most false statements come from, but they aren't lying, by definition.

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[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 88 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hey guys, this one's... borderline. The idea that Trump never said that is silly enough that I'm going to allow this post to stay, but its onion-y flavor is pretty weak.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago

This does sound like ~~pilorama~~ onion.

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 63 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That sounds like *checks* fake news.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 10 points 5 months ago

I feel when a person says it it's just a lie. People speaking isn't news right?

Such a weird phrase.

[–] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 62 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This is a new tier of cognitive dissonance, even for Trump. I mean he literally got crowds chanting "lock her up!" Hopefully this is the icing on the cake of his felony convictions and gets a few more people to break out of the cult.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 40 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Dude, he lied about the weather and the size of the crowd on his inauguration day. He fundamentally doesn't care about the truth. He doesn't hate it or anything, it's just that the truth isn't important to him unless denying it would get him in immediate trouble.

[–] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I know he's a liar. But lying about those things can't resonate with his supporters the way this could. This was almost a core campaign slogan, it's a downright meme. A denial that he supported it ought to be a much more obvious lie than the others

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 4 points 5 months ago

This also makes him look weak, since many still believe she belongs in jail, which is a cardinal sin in the GOP.

[–] Veraxus@lemmy.world 45 points 5 months ago

If only we had a word for an intentionally “false claim”… maybe we could call it something like “falclay”… or maybe just “lie”, for short.

Gen Z likes to invent slang. Let’s make this “lie” thing happen. What do you say, WaPo?

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I can't help but groan loudly every time I see the Orange Menace being quoted in these articles. The word vomit is so relentless it's hard to stomach. *gauges eyes out*

[–] Flummoxed@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I read your last sentence wrong at first, and I was very confused about how vomit, the word, was relentless.

Sigh, I think my brain just wants his word-vomit to go away. But I know it won't, so I might gouge out my ears as I think that might work better than gauging anything.

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[–] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 29 points 5 months ago (4 children)

So it's the dementia huh. How do his supporters feel about that? Or they suffering from it too?

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Probably they're fine with it and yes they've got it too, considering more and more people are getting it at younger ages than usual, which I would guess is mainly due to covid/long covid.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

No, they are enjoing it.

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[–] shadearg@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I want to know why mainstream media keeps referencing what he said during his 2020 campaign. His 2016 campaign was way more insidious and is actually related to the election interference conviction.

[–] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

This is referencing his 2016 campaign? And last two times he ran for president it lead to violence so it all matters a lot. Maybe I'm reading your post all wrong

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Trump does little else but lie. If he said the sun comes up in the east I would have to verify.

[–] Waldowal@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago
[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago
[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Donald Trump did for sure.

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