Their only dignified escape from the conservative nightmare is by their own hand. Nothing good in history has ever come from conservatism. Nothing.
Conservatism is a plague of oppression and death. And the plague is spreading.
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What if they don't have the power to topple their oppressors without foreign intervention?
It seems that's the case for Iran.
I agree. A revolution would be a violent and bloody one. I worry it would still be ineffective. Conservatism is like cancer. The treatment is deadly for both the disease and its victim.
Foreign infervention is almost always the worst possible option.
It only makes sense in the case of active mass genocides (think WWII, Cambodia or Serbia). Toppling an oppresive but stable regime through foreign power always ends in destabilisation and even more suffering to the people.
Right.
Let me know when these problems get solved doing something I don't suggest.
Latest: The Taliban have decreed that any woman caught attempting suicide will be put to death.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't some JudeoIslamic factions already punish suicide with death?
Yes. Though it's not really as hypocritical as it seems at first glance.
Assume you view suicide as being punished with eternal torment.
Someone wants to kill themselves, but, if you kill them instead it isn't a mortal sin.
From your moral framework the execution is now a mercy. They no longer suffer, in this life or the next.
Ya know, if you believe in sky daddies and whatnot.
Suicide, really. That's the last thing you should try. You realize that suicide's a criminal offense. In less enlightened times, they'd have hung you for it.
-- Peter Cook, Bedazzled (1968)
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Good reddit humor.
They should kill the men in their lives first
I'm sure some have tried, and succeeded, and I'm sure some have tried and failed.
I'm betting what follows for both situations is making these women take their lives first instead.
What follows is death anyway, might as well make a bit of difference in the process
While I agree, there may be a difference in the level of suffering they'd need to endure before death
Disturbing yes but not entirely surprising. I hope the Taliban get their just dues for what their doing to women soon.
They won't.
By who?
The army that folded in two days after 20 years of time wasted trying to make a horse drink.
West Armies should have armed the women and minorities.
It's the middle east, they're not "minorities" in their own fucking country lol
Armed the women? Certainly would have worked if they'd been willing to fight, probably would have only driven more Afghani army into the Taliban's ranks though. Considering even the non-extremists in the area don't want women equal to men at this point.
Sharia law is the problem, we will never have a functional middle east until religious authoritarianism stops being the actual written law. Problem is most of them are comfortable in their current existence and have no reason to change. Any change we suggest or offer will just be met with "these evil westerners are trying to destroy our faith!"
I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
Reading comprehension is at an all time low, I swear.
Lol, what?
You must be projecting.
You are incomprehensible. Dude was saying there is no way to help them. Their own army gave up in 2 weeks even after being trained for 2 decades by a professional army.
You came. in and said "don't hold your breathe"... for whatever reason... hold our breathe for what? No one mentioned anything to be waiting for...
Lol, what?
Anyone with a middle-school reading level can understand I was saying "I won't hold my breath for their military to help them out."
"incomprehensible", yeah, if your reading comprehension isn't that great. Sure.
Why would you say that? No one had said that the army was going to help. You saying don't hold your breath for the military to help is the incomprehensible part. Anyone with an elementary school reading level can see that.
Take the L and go home
Because it's true?
Lol, wake me up when these problems get solved doing something I don't suggest.
Omg can you repeat the same statement more please? You repeating yourself over and over in dozens of comments is not you being smart. We already did the intervention thing- it didn't work. Get a fucking education. Literally you would make more sense if you were asleep.
Err... say something different and then I will, lol.
It's not that difficult.
Are you saying because intervention hasn't worked in the past, then it is impossible for it to work in the future? Like there's some universal truth around brown people solving their own problems? What about intervening in Ukraine? Is that okay?
Lol. "Get a fucking education" is real ironic coming from someone who clearly doesn't have a clue about what's going on around them.
Buddy. You have no idea. The only thing you've said is "build small communities to change over time" or "they need intervention".
Building smal communities hasn't worked for the last 2000 years but sure- let's just have them do that some more they surely will do something different this time.
We literally JUST spent the last 20 years intervening. What pray tell do you suggest will be different by doing it again?
For someone throwing around the idea that others don't know what's going on around them you sure show an astonished lack of knowledge about literally what has been going on in the past few decades.
Oh and wtf does ukraine have to do with the conversation at hand? It's a completed different set of circumstances that jabe literally no relation to each other. Jesus.
You literally weren't even aware of why people couldn't just up and leave the country- you literally don't know what's happening and yet are throwing nonanswers out there.
Hope unfortunately doesn't mean anything in the face of abuse.
You either have power, or you don't.
Yeah. That’s sad. I hope there will be changes. But you’re correct. It’s a sad reality
The only way that will happen is for the women of Afghanistan to receive the same training and equipment as the Ukrainian army are getting.
Absolutely tragic, but I probably would do the same were I forced to live the life they're forced to with no hope of escape.
Soon it'll be
it kinda already is, look up bacha bazi
To be expected.