This is an overall win. The upward pressure is good for everyone, as phones have passed the meteoric rise of speed. Devices have been able to last far longer than their update cycle for a few years now.
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Cool do the same for the rest.
My thoughts on it: cool, now give it a headphone jack again and I might buy it.
I'm not buying a phone that requires $100 wireless earbud DLC (which honestly feel like just another thing to become e-waste in a few years when the battery gives out).
My soundcore wireless headphones have lasted longer than any pair of wired headphones I've ever had. Going on 4 years now and just as good as the day I bought them. They were only $70 too. Not saying you're wrong but there's reasonably priced quality ones out there if you look
my wired headphones are going strong since 2012
Got a pair of wired headphones from the 90's lol batteries in wireless would long be dead
Second to soundcore. I got the soundcore life Q10 and love them several years later.
Do you spend $70 on your wired headphones though? Or are you comparing the durability of cheap crap wired headphones to decent value budget wireless headphones? I have both a pair of Soundcore wireless headphones and a couple of pairs of wired headphones at home that all cost around the same amount and I'm certain I could smash the Soundcore headphones into tiny pieces using the wired ones and the wired ones would still work fine.
I spent $30-40 a few times on some wired headphones. This was around 10 or so years ago so, what 50/55 in today money? Maybe more. They'd last me 8 months to a year instead of the 3 or 4 from the cheap ones but eventually the wire at the buds or the aux plug would wear out from being shoved in my pocket, bag, etc. For everyday use I prefer wireless. I have a nice turntable, amp, and speakers for when I want to listen at home. Headphones are exclusively an "on the go" thing for me and my several years old set of BT headphones do the trick just fine
you can still use an adapter.
I did on my T-Mobile g1. the first android phone
I know the removal of established standards that people use is a bad thing, but I don't know why people still pretend wireless headphones are suddenly the only option like this is all a conspiracy to sell planned-obsolescence tech and track everyone via Bluetooth. Adapters might not be ideal in every situation or for every use-case but don't pretend most people can't just leave one attached to the end of their headphones!
Fair enough, adapters do exist, but as you point out, there are situations where that is not ideal. On a long flight, for example, where I might want to charge my phone and also listen to something, or (in my case) someone who does some amateur audio engineering work on the side, where having the ability to simply wire in a device to play some audio is a big plus. My biggest problem is that phones from five years ago could do both wireless and wired headphones just fine, no adapters needed. What have we gained as consumers by the loss of one of those options?
I think regularly taking long flights and tinkering with audio equipment are both niche enough use-cases to justify looking for phones that cater to your niche (I.e. have a headphone jack). As for why that is now niche, you often hear suggestions of improved waterproofing and/or more internal space for other things (or being thinner).
What phone do you have right now?
What would you switch to if it dies?
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It would be cool if they backported the promise. But I don't expect it, honestly.
I mean they did that with the og pixel. Idk why they wouldn't do that with the 6 and 7?
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Yes please do the bare minimum
Wait I'm confused are they going to up it to 8 years now for the 8th gen or is the number of years still up to debate? Either way not bad especially if they keep their current practices of being repairable and third party os friendly
Have you read the article
Instructions unclear. Browser stuck in Lemmy.
Yeah my fault kinda skimmed it
One can dream. Also, given the upcoming EU regulations around replaceable batteries, they may have some work done around this area too. That would be essential for a device with long term support.
Would have loved to see this for my 4A but glad they're looking to extend the support window moving forward. Many phones now are powerful enough to go years past their obsolescence date and chucking them away is just e-waste.
Still have a 3a going strong. And I bought it as soon as it came out
Only 3 years of OS updates, then you need a new phone. Give 5 years directly so you can start thinking about competing with iOS. What is the problem? They have control of the software and the hardware like Apple.
The 'problem' is that supporting 'old' hardware won't net them the same high profit margins to which they've grown accustomed.
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You say that 5 years is needed to compete with iPhone but Android is 4 years ahead of iOS so effectively your net result after 3 years is still further forward than iOS after 5
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Custom roms have proven that Pixels could have lasted about an extra 1-2 more android versions before performance really caught up. The Pixel 2 could run Android 13, albeit a bit buggier since it's unofficial. My only guess would be costly reasons for Google to further support those devices longer at the time.
This article is garbage. It never says what the expected change even is. Like is it 5 years? Idk since it never says.
With how terrible my P7P update experience has been (literally every update has made the phone buggier and more unstable) I'm no longer sure if this is a good thing or not. Maybe if they fix their insane QA issues.
Switch to graphene OS
I got my phone through my carrier. Unbeknownst to me at the time, carrier provided phones have locked bootloaders so you can't install grapheneOS on them, or if you can, I haven't found a guide to reliably do so. The phone was $800 off through the carrier so I can't complain too much, but I would have got it straight from Google if I had known prior to buying that you can't install grapheneOS on it.
I'm switching phones instead, but even if I wasn't I don't want to risk bricking my phone or playing the cat and mouse game with banking apps.
Either way I'm never touching a pixel again until they fix their buggy software.
@gvasco @IdleSheep recently it's even slightly buggy too, but it's still orders of magnitude lower than stock.
Wish I could unlock my Verizon Pixel 7 Pro's bootloader so I can put something less robust on it.
My Pixel 5 was going strong until it landed face down on some granite.
#1 reason I'll never buy anything Verizon. Had to prematurely get rid of phones that could've lasted years more.
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Doesn't mean much with how bad the QA and overall lifespan of Pixel devices have been unfortunately. Hopefully better this time but hard to want to put money in when the previous generations all had such issues and bad QC.
Extending warranty for the 5As then handing out equally defective devices is a pain. I'm on my 3rd one and I'm really not planning on it surviving over a year since none of the others did and when they died I was sitting down using the phone.
Only thing keeping me on them is GrapheneOS, too difficult to go back after getting a taste of it lol
I still have a 3a, never had an issue... I might have been lucky
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