So practical that you’ve all totally lost your moral compass. Who would write their name under a column that has active genocide support marked off? Blows mu mind that you people act like you have some sort of practical moral high ground while actively supporting genocide (voting is an act).

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I think Harris could likely change her mind on Israel. Not so for Trump, and the other candidates don't stand a chance so why vote for them.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Harris will never change her mind on Israel

[–] Quik@infosec.pub 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This may be, but the probability is unarguably higher than with Trump. Voting exclusively for candidates you morally agree on only works if enough people have the same morale (in this case i.e. are educated on Israel and so on) and are also not willing to make compromises.

Even if unfortunate, this is currently not the case; and you voting independent has smaller chances of changing that than voting democratic. So you will probably have to accept this situation for the moment and choose the "best actually feasible" strategy— and feasible means having the highest probability to win in real life, not merely trying.

Personally, I’d even argue that it’s unethical to not vote for a candidate like Harris, just because the chances of getting stuff like ranked choice voting or educating voters done (which will then lead to you being able to realistically vote for others) is significantly higher when voting Democrats than… letting Trump win?

Notice that I don’t say you have to agree with anything else she stands for, you’re trying to achieve certain goals/get out of the very unfortunate current situation, and even a low chance of reaching that is infinitely better than none.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

This may be, but the probability is unarguably higher than with Trump

This is entirely arguable, Harris doesn't support Israel out of any moral reasoning, but economic.

Personally, I’d even argue that it’s unethical to not vote for a candidate like Harris, just because the chances of getting stuff like ranked choice voting or educating voters done (which will then lead to you being able to realistically vote for others) is significantly higher when voting Democrats than… letting Trump win?

This is also wrong. The Dems don't want RCV, nor would implementing it fix the system.

Notice that I don’t say you have to agree with anything else she stands for, you’re trying to achieve certain goals/get out of the very unfortunate current situation, and even a low chance of reaching that is infinitely better than none.

There is no chance under Kamala.

The only way forward is revolution. Delegitimizing Dem and Rep rule is an important step towards revolution.