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For those who don’t know (there are probably a few) Bernie is Jewish, and his opinions better reflect the rest of us Jews than the crazies on the right (and left) and in Israel. I don’t have stats, but every American Jew I’ve talked to about this has been morally outraged and frankly mortified by Israel’s actions. We understand how it looks to the rest of the world. Don’t let the antisemitism arguments (usually pushed by Christians btw) fool you. Bernie is on the right side of this issue, as usual.
It’s the Christian zionists here in the US that support this genocide because they think it will help expedite the end of the world
For reference, see New Apostolic Reformation and Seven Mountains
Shit is beyond crazy and terrifying.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation
https://narconnections.com/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Mountain_Mandate
If you want to get yourself fired from your shit job, remind your co-worker that their religious apocalyptic fantasies should at least lead them to doing the deed out in the parking lot, not in here where we live
****Don't say that.
Fucking crazy shit, these people are insane and are actively trying to destroy the planet.
The more you know the worse it gets.
All the yelling about sharia was just another distraction to bring about "Christian" rule.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/marjorie-taylor-greene-christian-nationalism
The members of these groups are everywhere.
Some have become very vocal.
The work is done in silence.
I realize this is very sensitive issue and things have likely changed since april, but the last time I saw this polled Jewish Americans support Israel's response to Oct.7 about 62%, 33% oppose
Granted, since april and just off the top of my head, Israel has bombed a number of Gaza refugee camps, killed the Hamas negotiator, conducted two terror attacks against Lebanon, and now is talking about sending ground troops in across the border,.... so.... yea maybe things have changed
But im glad to have Sanders pushing for this though, I think it carries more weight coming from him.
Ugh that’s shameful, and super disappointing. But thanks, I hadn’t seen a poll on American Jews as recent as April so I’d bet those numbers haven’t changed much. Seems the Jews I’m around have a very different relationship with Israel than the majority.
I'll hazard a guess that your circle is one mainly of highly educated city folk.
Quite independently of Religion, Education and one's level of exposure to all sorts of people and complex social environments (which normally comes with big city life) seem to be the biggest deciding factors about people having or not "traditional values" (read: conservative) and the excessive and blind tribalism that makes them more likely to find excuses to support Genocide along ethnic lines "when our side does it".
I kinda hope it has changed since then, but probably not as much as I'd like.
Fellow American Jew here. Very much agreed. Israel doesn't represent us, even if it tries to say it does.
Texan Jew here. I'm surrounded by a sea of monsters.
I've made documentaries, art projects, and memorials for family members who were in the Holocaust. A few survived (literally, like, 3 of them), but multitudes more were killed. My family and community has praised me for my passionate interest and attempts to teach younger generations the dangers of complacency and compartmentalizing. One of my relatives even helped pass a law adding Holocaust Remembrance Week as part of the curriculum for every grade level in Texas.
We've seen this kind of destruction before, we've lived this oppression and violence before. We have discussed how our family might have changed had over 90% of them not been killed.
HOW THE FUCK IS MY FAMILY AND COMMUNITY OKAY WITH ANOTHER GENOCIDE???
The self-delusion, what-abouts, stereotypes, and straight-up racist insults.
"They'd kill us if given the opportunity"
YOU'RE ALREADY KILLING THEM
"These are really bad, violent people"
THEY ARE CHILDREN AND CIVILIANS AND THEY ARE DYING
"It's not comparable to the Holocaust. Germany killed 6 million..."
THAT’S YOUR FUCKING CUTOFF???
WE GOTTA WAIT FOR 6 MILLION PEOPLE TO DIE BEFORE WE CAN EMPATHIZE WITH VICTIMS OF GENOCIDE??? Where was this sense of calm and nonchalance when Nazis were posting propaganda around town? How many of your kids need to be dismembered and vaporized before you say "this is more than upsetting, this is WRONG"??!
I swear, I'm probably less than a month away from hearing someone I once respected say "the Palestinian cries out in pain as they hit you."
It wasn't OK when the Egyptians and Germans did it to the Jews, and it's not OK when the Jews are doing it to others too.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
There are fewer than 6 million people in all of Palestine. If that's their cutoff, they can eradicate everyone and "it still wouldn't be as bad." That's probably their thought process.
Omfg I feel you so hard on this with a few people, but am fortunate to not be in Texas.
"Never again," my ass. Those types of people mean only "never again for me and mine." Genocide is genocide is genocide, regardless of whether we're the victim or not.
Israel learned the wrong lesson from the Holocaust. They decided that the next time somebody gets stepped on, they're going to be the boot, not the bug.
Well there's your problem
Another American Jew chiming in. Israel has never represented me. I'm from Indiana. I have far more in common with a Palestinian-American from Tuscon, Arizona than I do any Jew in Haifa.
i sorta inferred this about american jews because doesn't israel give economic incentives to jewish people moving to israel? so the fact that you don't live in israel says something
Ever thus to ethno nationalism.
This makes sense, because this isn’t an Israeli or Jewish endeavor. It’s Benjamin Netanyahu desperately provoking a war to maintain his grip on power, because as soon as he’s out of power he will have to be held accountable for his many crimes. Bibi would rather die in office than face that. It’s truly regrettable that his actions have soured the entire world’s opinion on Israel, but here we are.
The state of Israel in its inception was colonisation, apartheid, massacre, white supremacy, and genocide. Netanyahu is certainly a monster. But look at the rest of his cabinet. Listen to an interview with Israeli citizens even before October 7th in the way they speak about Palestinians and Arabs.
Israel is thoroughly and consistently sick from beginning to end, top to bottom. It’s a depraved machine of terror that runs on the blood of innocent people.
It seems to me they're a country built on 19th century white colonialist values (Jewish white colonialism is no better than the once much more common Christian kind) and which has never evolved from those values but rather kept going until reaching the natural conclusion: Genocide.
(It's not by chance that Israeli's keep claiming that they have "Western Values" - it's really just a politically correct way of saying "white values")
Israel is similar to South-Africa, except that they were never forced to stop and just kept doubling down on the racism and violent oppression of the ethnicity they victimize.
I blame mainly the US and Germany for the continued support of Israel's white colonialism and it's natural outcome of Genocide.
Netanyahu is to blame for making the situation worse, and for actively working against a ceasefire, but I think it’s important to point out that the majority of Israelis appear to support his actions in Gaza. It’s definitely an Israeli issue and a Netanyahu issue.
Zionism has been a thing before bibi