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oh my god. reading is hard. "you can play any game without Steam" means no matter which game. which is patently false. there are more DRM games on steam than DRM-free ones. so if you pick any game at random, the odds are against you.
"Any" has those two meanings, the fact that you chose an ambiguous phrasing is your fault, and the fact you haven't apologized while making clear what you meant, but in fact doubled down in the aggressive tone tells a lot about you.
Also the phrase doesn't mean what you think it does, you should have said"you can play all games on steam without steam", which would be correct, not all games can be played without seam, but some can, you yourself recognize this when you say that the odds are against me when picking a random game, therefore there is a chance. And this is the thing that seems hard to comprehend to everyone who claims steam is DRM, they that same phrasing with Denuevo or other actual DRM things and you'll see why it's bullshit.
In other words, a software is DRM if and only if every game that contains it is DRM protected. Let's go back to logic school:
if A then Bis negated asA and not B, for example"If a dog then an animal" is true, so the negation would be false: "dog and not an animal" is in fact a contradiction. Or on the other side "if animal then dog" is false, so the negation animal and not a dog" must be possible, and indeed it is.In this case what you're stating is that steam is DRM which means "if it's on steam then it's DRM protected", that statement is false because the negation"game on steam and no DRM" is possible. On the other hand "if it has Denuevo is DRM protected is true" and the negation "has Denuevo and is no DRM" is an impossibility.
the context makes it clear. i already said there are DRM free and DRM games on steam in comments you responded to. assuming i meant you can play not a single steam game without steam is just a dumb assumption because it disregards that i already acknowledge DRM-free games on steam.
Acknowledging DRM free games on steam is absolute proof that steam is not DRM, you cannot hold both views at the same time, they're contradictory. Either all games on steam have DRM or steam is not DRM. Again, replace steam with an actual DRM software like Denuevo and you'll see why.