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US: Muslim groups urge voters to back Jill Stein, Cornel West or other pro-Palestine candidates
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Are any of these people actually relevant? Because this is not how you get your way, so I really hope they are not representing any actual constituent communities.
What do you propose Muslim-Americans do to stop genocide?
Either way, Muslim-Americans make up a significant population in Michigan, enough to sway the swing state. Harris is playing with fire with her commitment to maintaining the Party Line on genocide.
I think you can figure this one out if you try.
Telling your members to vote third party six weeks before the election is the exact opposite of that.
This is saying “we have no power, we give up”.
Seems like you're hinting that they should just accept that genocide is a fact of life for Muslims, instead of pressuring to change it. Easy to say when you aren't the target.
Stein has been polling ahead of Harris for months with Muslim-American voters, this isn't a new thing. Harris has had the time and information to pivot, and hasn't.
Hell no. But this is politics. Taking your ball and going home gets you nothing.
If you have the power to swing Michigan you are the most important voters in the election that don’t live in Pennsylvania. You can leverage that into a deal.
But you are going to have to be clear that you’re asking. “Stop the genocide” isn’t it. She’s not the one killing people. The only person that can actually stop the genocide is Bibi. He’s not on the ballot in November. You have to make an ask and it’s gotta be clear and it’s got to be something that you can realistically get.
Also, the other guys need to be convinced you can hold up your own side of the deal. Can you deliver Michigan? Or are you just posturing?
The way I see it, this statement gets no progress on the first, and actively harms the second. After this statement, an endorsement from them would be worse than useless. If these organizations can’t deliver Michigan, the campaign will just roll the dice with the “moderates”.
This statement is political malpractice.
What the actual fuck dude.
That's what they are doing. Promising unconditional support for Harris despite her pushing for continued genocide has no leverage.
Israel is a vassal state that depends on the support of the US. Absolving the US of the deeds of the vassal it provides weapons and munitions for is wrong, the deeds require the support of the US to continue.
Talk to Muslim-Americans. They aren't stupid, or lacking in critical thinking. The ones voting Green are doing so because they can't support genocide, and realize that witholding support is the only way to force any kind of hand.
No. They are telling their constituent to vote third party as early voting is getting underway. They are literally setting fire to their political capital while there’s still six weeks to figure out something that both sides can be happy with.
I mean, if you truly believe that then I guess the whole system is compromised and you gotta burn it all down. But it’s not something that has actual salience outside conspiratorial circles and the people that amplify them for their own ends.
They are standing their ground. Harris can reach out at any time she wants and change course.
I mean, correct. Do you disagree?
You sure? It's quite salient among actual Palestinians, if you'd for once listen to them, which cascades to Muslim-American voters which cascades to swing-state results and the overall US Federal election.
I think we can wrap this with a neat bow now.
Thanks.
What are you even talking about? They are making concrete demands, one of them being an arms embargo which Kamala has said won't happen. The way a deal works is if the other side doesn't accept your offer you don't just cave and perform your side of the bargain. And judging by the fact that Kamala hasn't proposed anything other than the same vague support for a ceasefire Biden has shown they haven't even tried to push for anything else that might satisfy this constituency.
They tried. Nothing happened. Because to the Democrats supporting Israel is more important than winning in November.
… or they don’t really have the power to deliver their “base” vote anyway.
This press release stinks like one of those “I must discover where my people are going so that I can lead them” schticks.
Uh... They do. Muslims are one of the groups that have the most to lose from a Trump victory; it's just that Harris refuses to budge on the one thing making them unable to vote for her.
No Muslim country is helping Palestine.
Lebanon, Yemen, Iran. Read up.
You need to read more yourself. Yemen takes none. There are camps in Lebanon but the people remain stateless. And so on ... Just some basic googling will help you learn.
Do some more than basic googling.
There are, but they're all Iran-aligned, because the others have been bought out by the US. Read some history.
CAIR and USCMO are the biggest Muslim organizations in the U.S. In negotiations Democrats were unwilling to make any concessions for Palestine. Voting for Harris anyway would be counterproductive.
Trump does have a plan to end the suffering of the Palestinians, forever.
Yeah, the same one Harris does, because they both unconditionally support the genocide! It's not like Trump would invade Palestine (short of a broader regional conflict)