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Calvin (from Calvin & Hobbes) sitting at a lemonade stand, smiling, with a sign that reads, "Trains and micromobility are inevitably the future of urban transportation, whether society wants it or not. CHANGE MY MIND."
this post was submitted on 24 Aug 2023
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How do you feel about utility trucks and stuff? Like how are you gonna move homes without atleast a van?
What kind of argument is this? Mostly pedestrian, public transport and bicycle based cities still have utility trucks and vans which you can use when you really need to. It's a pain to navigate the city and the parking fees are high, but it's something you would totally accept to for moving homes.
You can try googling "How to move homes in Amsterdam" and see whether people there manage to move homes.
TLDR: It's not black and white, nobody wants to prohibit EVERY SINGLE MOTORIZED VEHICLE FOR EVERY SINGLE USECASE.
A lot of people have a very odd idea about Amsterdam but car use is actually pretty common there, especially outside of the tiny little central area.
I think mass transit systems are absolutely going to keep growing but we're heading towards an integrated transport network made up of trains, planes, cars and boats rather than any one technology defeating the others.
I'll get downvoted, but most of this community 100% reads like "fuck all cars all the time"
I'm being somewhat flippant, but cars aren't vans.
By that, a van has a primary practical utility of being used to transport a lot of goods.
Cars' primary utility is to transport people.
Yes sometimes people use their car to move a lot of stuff (I've done this myself more times than I can remember) but the vast majority of the time it's just moving you.
Edit: rephrase and more info
I know this, but someone that just happens upon the community is most likely not gonna do enough poking around other posts to see that. Especially with the "deathtrap murderweapon vehicle users" mentality some people here have.
This is why there are different communities. This discussion was had a lot over at the other place, "fuck cars" is not exactly intended as the first contact people have with the thought that 'maybe car centric infrastructure isn't so great?'.
But it does seem to be the most popular, so it tends to be what most people will see first as far as I can tell.
It is what it is. I was just pointing out that no amount of telling people what is obvious to long timers is going to stop more outsiders from having the same reaction, so hopefully the community won't run out of patience for it.
On lemmy, is there some other place which is better suited for those people? (other than the German !oeffentlicherverkehr@feddit.de)
Renting a utility car will always be available until another futuristic thing happens. Having a utility truck fo everyday transport for the occasional moving is very wasteful.
And I know that there's people that live on farms, have a shed where they store stuff and need those kinds of cars to move around to do work. Sure, those will exist, and they shouldn't need to be punished for using their trucks for that, but using it for everyday stuff is wrong.